Latest comment from Yoshida regarding Housing + Inventory space issue

[Tsuga]

You have a good point there..

Yeah I'm really surprised that that post did not have more oversight. I mean it had to go through several hands before it ended up on the boards, I'm sure. It's just so dismissive of the community response, and so uncharacteristic of Yoshida, and his team. It really does feel like they knew that this was coming for a long time and had all ready prepared their defense - his day of patch post, and lack of information up until the patch notes being the most significant evidence of that. I'm not sure that they expected it to backfire as bad as it did, considering that their damage control since then has been just as bad as those first posts.

I could see him maybe addressing it in a live letter, though, unless they decide to bury any mention of the controversy going forward - which I could also see happening since it's pretty clear that they carefully hand pick a lot of the questions to respond to during those things, and it's been their strategy to avoid all discussion of atma, personal housing could suffer the same fate. Who knows, maybe they'll surprise us in a couple of patches - they do have to find a solution to the server issues after all, maybe they'll completely revamp the housing system (wishful thinking!).

[MageBlack]

That's a separate issue, but I agree that it is another disappointing side effect of shoehorning personal housing in with FC housing. It's just not what we were discussing.

imo they should have been separate systems entirely, with personal housing being slightly smaller than company housing with smaller ward zones to justify lower prices (as was implied), to accommodate server issues and so as to not invalidate FC housing. Wishful thinking at this point, though.

Fair enough. I do get what you are talking about, Yoshi-P said one thing and something else happened. I don't see why this is such a huge deal. Have you never changed your mind about something? You don't need to answer that and I'm fairly certain any situation you would have been in is much different than the situation with the housing. There are many reasons for secrecy behind their choices and what information they divulge to the populace and many more reasons why they may have to adjust or change their original vision. While i'm not condoning the choices they made regarding pretty much all aspects of personal housing, I will defend their right to make changes without having to spoon feed us on the entire situation.

Honestly, the way the question was asked and answered specifically regarding the 850K that sounds like me answering my kids when I'm trying to suprise them with going out for dinner. And regarding your quote you keep bringing up "completely seperate from FC housing(or whatever)" How long ago was that made? I'm sure you have that link close and handy cause I don't actually recall when it was said but I do remember seeing it. Not that time is an excuse but things can change a lot during development which is WHY devs are usually tight lipped because changes can be construed as a lie once people take it as written in stone. what he said may have been his intent at the time but pushing out housing earlier he would know there will be insufficient space for personal housing so in order to "gate" it until more space can be added, the huge price would do the trick.

But again, this is all pretty much irrelevant compared to the limited space. Had it been personal instances instead of a public ward, they wouldnt have had to gate the pricing in the first place.

[Lillia]

@ MageBlack

This is the link to that post you asked for... and...


Plot Pricing
The initial price of land at the release of patch 2.1 will vary depending on World population and economy. Prices are also affected by location, and there may be differences between plots of the same size. The following is a list of starting prices for each World:

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Small 4,000,000 4,250,000 4,500,000 4,750,000 5,000,000
Medium 15,000,000 15,937,500 16,875,000 17,812,500 18,750,000
Large 50,000,000 53,125,000 56,250,000 59,375,000 62,500,000
Asura / Belias / Brynhildr / Famfrit / Lich / Mateus / Unicorn / Yojimbo / Zalera / Zeromus


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Small 6,400,000 6,800,000 7,200,000 7,600,000 8,000,000
Medium 24,000,000 25,500,000 27,000,000 28,500,000 30,000,000
Large 80,000,000 85,000,000 90,000,000 95,000,000 100,000,000
Adamantoise / Alexander / Anima / Atomos / Cerberus / Coeurl / Exodus / Faerie / Gobli / Hades / Ixion / Kujata / Lamia / Malboro / Moogle / Pandaemonium / Phoenix / Typhon / Ultima / Valefor


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Small 8,000,000 8,500,000 9,000,000 9,800,000 10,000,000
Medium 30,000,000 31,875,000 33,750,000 35,625,000 37,500,000
Large 100,000,000 106,250,000 112,500,000 118,750,000 125,000,000
Bahamut / Behemoth / Cactuar / Carbuncle / Chocobo / Diabolos / Fenrir / Garuda / Gilgamesh / Ifrit / Leviathan / Mandragora / Midgardsormr / Odin / Ramuh / Shiva / Siren / Tiamat / Titan / Tonberry / Ultros


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Small 20,000,000 21,250,000 22,500,000 23,750,000 25,000,000
Medium 75,000,000 79,687,500 84,375,000 89,062,500 93,750,000
Large 250,000,000 265,625,000 281,250,000 296,875,000 312,500,000
Balmung / Excalibur / Hyperion / Ragnarok / Sargatanas


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Small 40,000,000 42,500,000 45,000,000 47,500,000 50,000,000
Medium 150,000,000 159,375,000 168,750,000 178,125,000 187,500,000
Large 500,000,000 531,250,000 562,500,000 593,750,000 625,000,000
Aegis / Durandal / Gungnir / Masamune / Ridill

Compared to the old ones im pretty happy.

[Teryaani]

Fair enough. I do get what you are talking about, Yoshi-P said one thing and something else happened. I don't see why this is such a huge deal. Have you never changed your mind about something? You don't need to answer that and I'm fairly certain any situation you would have been in is much different than the situation with the housing. There are many reasons for secrecy behind their choices and what information they divulge to the populace and many more reasons why they may have to adjust or change their original vision. While i'm not condoning the choices they made regarding pretty much all aspects of personal housing, I will defend their right to make changes without having to spoon feed us on the entire situation.

I won't defend them. This isn't about changing minds. This is about the reality of implementing a feature in a piece of software. The changing minds thing doesn't work for this. I have no doubt that the original plans for the personal housing rollout wouldn't work. It probably was completely untenable. Fine, cool, that happens. They had reasons for secrecy? I guarantee you they did.

Do you want me to boil down the outrage into a single, tone-deaf mistake from Square? Yoshi's response to the outcry.

He had a very simple thing to do. He could have quieted the noise down with next to no effort. Instead he chose to tell us it was our fault for "misunderstanding" when I have no doubt that even he knew why players were angry. They had reasons? Fine. Explain it to us like we're adults. Admit that it was a change in plan and don't pretend it was the plan the entire time. People would have simmered for a day or two and then it would have all gone away.

Just a mea culpa with a "I get why you're angry and you're right that it changed from December. We didn't tell you and we're sorry (or we didn't tell you because)".

Honestly, the way the question was asked and answered specifically regarding the 850K that sounds like me answering my kids when I'm trying to suprise them with going out for dinner. And regarding your quote you keep bringing up "completely seperate from FC housing(or whatever)" How long ago was that made?

That was the last thing the players saw about price and how the feature would be implemented. How else would you expect people to react? We only have that piece of information to go on. That's it. Then radio silence. Had there been some glint of information that that was no longer the case, this would have been a different beast.

Not that time is an excuse but things can change a lot during development which is WHY devs are usually tight lipped because changes can be construed as a lie once people take it as written in stone.

If we have an issue meeting a requirement, we tell our users. Period. Given the nature of this game, I can appreciate that they would want to craft a communication, but then they should do that. You know, communicate.

But again, this is all pretty much irrelevant compared to the limited space. Had it been personal instances instead of a public ward, they wouldnt have had to gate the pricing in the first place.

Here's the rub. I think they were trying for separate wards. This is just my own guess with what limited information we have. I believe Yoshi when he says there were resource constraints and, again my assumption, this idea was scrapped. When left with what likely was a few months of development time, needing to finish development on a new class and new dungeons and a new coil, the instanced housing just wasn't possible in the time frame they had.

You're right that that would have been the best way forward, but I think they had a way they wanted to do it and just didn't have time for the alternative. So we got this.

[Teryaani]

Compared to the old ones im pretty happy.

Yeah, the old FC housing prices were nuts. It assumed that anyone on a legacy world was, by default, filthy rich. Now it's pretty even pricing with most servers falling into group 1.

[dragorian]

why make housing 4-56 million to make it harder for rmt ah right heck no it do not if any thing it does is to promote it and to be honest I used to like xiv even when it was crap bk in 2010 and now this game is becoming more for little kids the end game is not there have to get in a df to spend hours looking for a group who can clear the easiest content only to get hooked up with a group who want to do their own thing and not work together and pf is as bad you spend hours waiting for ppl to show but only to leave when it takes too long so I decided to give wow a try and it is better than xiv is now with xiv I feel like I am playing sims to a degree and I hate those games this game used to be enjoyable and before I get to go bk to wow ppl yada yada I used to hate wow that's what brought me to xiv but now I am leaning more towards more towards it I would play ffxi but one still needs help to clear old content like void watch ect and no one does that crap anymore so it is not fun to me and I have several 90/99's so I am not inclined to continue playing any more I understand giving players what they want but just to cave to players 5-14 and screw the rest of the mature ones with meaningful content and for ppl who claim ffxiv is making it more like wow well if they did they have a long way to go or doing a relly bad job at it and also on the blizzard forums they to have problem where when you log on but only to be logged out to relog in again and they don't have the stupid character cap on typing may be they do how ever I never got that far yet

[MageBlack]

@ Teryaani and Lillia

Thank you for clarifying for me. The reason for the price being the sticking point for forum posters is not necessarily the cost but the communication. I think something the dev team could take from this is to not say anything about future development until it is released. One thing was mentioned almost a year ago and nothing since.

A year is a long time for things to change. Radio silence on the matter (and many other things that are still in the dark, like Golden saucer and FC summoning) can be both a blessing and a curse. I mean, if there is no news then we cant "misinterpret" anything. That is not the ideal takeaway but something that could solve future issues nonetheless.

i could ramble about it ad nauseum but I'm sure I would bring nothing new to the discussion and even less to making any significant change. At this point I have pretty much resigned myself to slowly building up a fortune for a house while I wait to see just how much more space they add in 2.4. if the new wards fill up as fast as they always do, I wont even bother. which is a shame. I really wanted a house... at least I have my inn room.

[Lillia]

@Dragorian;

What I posted was OLD housing prices in comparison to what is now a lot cheaper for every group.

New Housing Prices

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Small 4,000,000 4,250,000 4,500,000 4,750,000 5,000,000
Medium 30,000,000 31,875,000 33,750,000 35,625,000 37,500,000
Large 70,000,000 74,375,000 78,750,000 83,125,000 87,500,000
Aegis / Bahamut / Balmung / Behemoth / Cactuar / Carbuncle / Chocobo / Diabolos / Durandal / Excalibur / Fenrir / Garuda / Gilgamesh / Gungnir / Hyperion / Ifrit / Leviathan / Mandragora / Masamune / Midgardsormr / Odin / Ragnarok / Ramuh / Ridill / Sargatanas / Shiva / Siren / Tiamat / Titan / Tonberry / Ultros

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Small 3,200,000 3,400,000 3,600,000 3,800,000 4,000,000
Medium 24,000,000 25,500,000 27,000,000 28,500,000 30,000,000
Large 56,000,000 59,500,000 63,000,000 66,500,000 70,000,000
Adamantoise / Alexander / Anima / Atomos / Cerberus / Coeurl / Exodus / Faerie / Goblin / Hades / Ixion / Kujata / Lamia / Malboro / Moogle / Pandaemonium / Phoenix / Typhon / Ultima / Valefor


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Small 2,000,000 2,125,000 2,250,000 2,375,000 2,500,000
Medium 15,000,000 15,937,500 16,875,000 17,812,500 18,750,000
Large 35,000,000 37,187,500 39,375,000 41,562,500 43,750,000
Asura / Belias / Brynhildr / Famfrit / Jenova / Lich / Mateus / Shinryu / Unicorn / Yojimbo / Zalera / Zeromus / Zodiark

Mind you, even with these prices not being seemingly different... they would never reach this low with the old prices due to the cap limit of how low they were able to fall and now they will be half of this in october.

[Lillia]

Yeah, the old FC housing prices were nuts. It assumed that anyone on a legacy world was, by default, filthy rich. Now it's pretty even pricing with most servers falling into group 1.

Some from my understanding were.

[Teryaani]

I think something the dev team could take from this is to not say anything about future development until it is released.

A year is a long time for things to change. Radio silence on the matter (and many other things that are still in the dark, like Golden saucer and FC summoning) can be both a blessing and a curse. I mean, if there is no news then we cant "misinterpret" anything. That is not the ideal takeaway but something that could solve future issues nonetheless.

I think you're right. As much as people want details early, if the feature is still in flux and nothing is finalized, the best bet is to tell us to "stay tuned". Then if people get disappointed, it's not because something was put forward by SE, it's because they speculated and had it not turn out how they wished for it.

At this point I have pretty much resigned myself to slowly building up a fortune for a house while I wait to see just how much more space they add in 2.4. if the new wards fill up as fast as they always do, I wont even bother. which is a shame. I really wanted a house... at least I have my inn room.

Good luck with it. Your server is one of the harder ones to get a small house on. Hopefully the doubling of the wards will give you a chance.