How do you guys deal with?

[Blitzace]

Can't really remember the last time someone took over hate.
Still see DPS daily that just run in not caring whether the healer is ready or the tank is near and they just expect them to be ready.

I let those die, If they feel like running in before the healer is ready(When he said give me a second) I'd say, If you wanna tank go level up a tank class.
Same for the people that ignore my markings. Just yesterday in Stone vigil hard? I Marked the enemy that transforms into the mob with the annoying aoe(Had a low ILevel healer) So didn't feel like putting to much strain on the guy.
And i had hate over all the mobs but for some reason even after i explained we should kill this mob first, he still decided to attack something else.

Fine by me, but i'm not gonna save your ass then if you on purpose ignore the markings.

[Laerune]

I follow a certain step:

1. Tell them to stop doing those things and explain them why such behavior is bad for the group.
2. Warn them again.
3. Let them die and hope that they learn from their mistake.
4. Try and kick them from the group.

Majority of the time, the dps or healer will be kicked from the group, but lets assume they wont be kicked. Then I take these actions:
5a. If the dungeon is almost over, I will grind my teeth and finish it.
5b. If we are at less than 50% of the dungeon and the idiot is still in our group, I will vote abandon or I will leave the group.

[Ellatrix]

If you mark targets in dungeons, you're bad at tank and should stop and learn how to hold aoe threat. If you lose hate on something, it is the tank's fault not the dps or healer 99% of the time.

Even though I enjoy playing dps, there's nothing more infuriating than a slow tank in 4man dungeons, so I run on WAR most of the time (which also lets me compensate for poor dps as I typically at least match the damage done by DF dps 95% of the time).

[EnumeratingWishes]

I have to disagree with the above. As a low level and endgame tank I've managed to hold or take back hate fine. I rarely mark targets and while prefer that they choose and attack the same target I'm not enforcing it because it's not marked. HOWEVER early pulling is something I lack tolerance of, if you want to do my job go ahead. As a healer or tank I will inform the offending dps (often ranged DPS, ARC/BRD). If it happens at the next pull I will leave that mob on them.

Consistent early pulls might save maybe one or two minute in the end but it's not something you should inconvenience others with. There ARE bad tanks but dps already have it easy during low levels. Very few (if any) mechanics require the boss to be dps'd within a certain amount of time. Being bad is one thing but not liking a tank's style is another. If you want the job done right then do it yourself.

[monochromicorn]

i only mark mobs thats bring out something bigger, like the caster in amdapor keep that cast voidcall. ive never lost have, even pre-shield oath. it was very difficult, especially with bards. i disagree with focus target dps meaning you are a bad tank. when i dps chooses to sleep mobs and focus on what i am attacking(BLM specifically) i am very gratful because it takes some pressure off me. do i have to have that, no, but it sure is nice.

[Ellatrix]

I have to disagree with the above. As a low level and endgame tank I've managed to hold or take back hate fine. I rarely mark targets and while prefer that they choose and attack the same target I'm not enforcing it because it's not marked. HOWEVER early pulling is something I lack tolerance of, if you want to do my job go ahead. As a healer or tank I will inform the offending dps (often ranged DPS, ARC/BRD). If it happens at the next pull I will leave that mob on them.

Consistent early pulls might save maybe one or two minute in the end but it's not something you should inconvenience others with. There ARE bad tanks but dps already have it easy during low levels. Very few (if any) mechanics require the boss to be dps'd within a certain amount of time. Being bad is one thing but not liking a tank's style is another. If you want the job done right then do it yourself.

If ranged dps is pulling early, then YOU start running to the next pull with a few almost dead mobs on you and start the next one, while the ranged dps finish killing the old mobs.

[MythToken]

I do not mark, follow dps, much easier.

Only time I mark is if something like a bee with Final sting needs to die right away. And then I only mark that target.
Marking everything is not really necessary.

[Saigwa]

The other day, I had a tank who would go afk without saying anything to the party, wouldn't mark mobs, and wouldn't hold agro. I helped marked some mobs and our party was able to kill a small number of mobs in the dungeon while the tank was away, and when he came back, he threw a fit and decided to purposely NOT take agro without saying a thing. When we asked him to tank properly, he stated that I could tank instead of him because I marked mobs and tanked while he was AFK.....
I pray the OP isn't a tank with an ego like this guy, because while I don't mind if he is an ass to me, it wasn't respectful to any of the other party members who had to wait for the queue and put up with his bad tanking and on/off afking.

[chidarake]

I never mark mobs in dungeons unless a single target really has to die to make things smoother.

marking everything is wasting my time and there's, I will grab a mob or two or three because I know I can hold that mob, if I think I will have problems I will only pull what I know I can handle. I'm in the mind frame that if I mark everything I'm a bad tank no questions.

marking is for when you really need a kill order not for every single enemy in a dungeon. worse still when a tank marks a single target boss.. so pointless.


as dps I absolutely hate tanks who mark everything and yes I ignore it cus I main blm, my damage comes from aoe not single target nonsense. I'll help teach that tank a lesson by pulling everything all dungeon long to show them they are not good tanks cus they cant hold agro. A good tank will hold agro no matter what until they know the dps will kill that mob.

Now don't confuse me with someone who pulls on tanks on purpose, I always give the tank time to establish hate and do there thing but I will not hold back at all. yes I will target rotate if im getting close to pulling on single target but never on aoe.

as healer I hate tanks who don't gen proper hate, soon as I heal you the mob heads to me.. need to be a better tank.

also as healer / smn.. I apply dots to everything so sleeping targets are limiting to me and does not suit my play style, even as tank I will not abide sleeping enemies unless its vital. I aim to get through each instance as quickly as possible with no trouble and a tank who knows how to hold hate is vital to it.

I will not leave or quit or name call but damn I will bitch to my fc after...