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    Player Alukah's Avatar
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    Alukah Bast
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    Excalibur
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    They are not afk, offline, cheating or harassing you by watching a cut scene. Stop treating people in story mode dungeons like ex primal/latest coil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ignnis View Post
    There is no "watching cs" excuse in the vote kick option. Kicking someone simply for watching cutscenes is a fantastic way to get reported for abusing the system.

    And actually the newbies are helping you farm, they give you an extra 100 myth so go figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seoulstar View Post
    Pretty sure that falls into the category of vote kick abusing. They're not trolling, they're not afking, they're not offline, they're not harassing anyone, they're not really doing anything at all to be kicked for. To be honest, the people who should be kicked are the ones who are harassing the new player just for simply watching a cutscene.
    Please, try making an effort and read

    "Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).

    To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc)."
    Quote Originally Posted by Enkrateia View Post
    However, there is one topic in this thread that seems to be an underlying point of contention: reasons for dismissal that are not strictly "AFK", "Offline", "Harassment", or "Cheating". I would like to address this.

    The response from the GM touched on this, although it was missed due to the focus on the first part of that sentence. The reasons for dismissal are not all encompassing, which means that there may be valid reasons for dismissal outside of those four examples. Good examples of this that have been provided in this thread are the refusal to fulfill one's job function. Because of this, it is possible that the reasons provided for dismissal may be found to be accurate if they are used against you. As well, the feelings one may have about the reasons may differ from the feelings of those who voted to dismiss. For example, cultural differences in language may have one person using language they find fairly benign while another person takes great offense to it.

    Because of these subjective discrepancies, the final decision on if a violation of the use of the vote dismiss feature is left to a GM after an investigation. In general, abuse of the vote dismiss feature is considered to be a grief tactics violation, which falls under section 3.2 in the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement. However, it is only after a GM investigation that it can be determined to be a violation of the rules. If you feel that the vote dismiss feature has been abused, please do report it to the GMs through the Help Desk in game, and we will investigate.

    LGM Enkrateia
    (bolds are mine)

    Whether you agree or not (which is irrelevant) the fact is that neither side is wrong, groups have the freedom to decide how something should be run, and in fact vote kick doesn't even go through unless the majority votes "yes", you are wrong if you want to force a speed run if the majority doesn't want to, you are wrong if you want to force people to wait for you to finish your cutscenes if the majority doesn't want to, try to understand that you cannot force your opinion on others, even if these are story dungeons.
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    Last edited by Alukah; 09-24-2014 at 12:53 AM.