Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[NyarukoW]

....if you keep the roulette you cannot put many restrictions or vets wont run it, ending in the same long queue issue.

That is also blatantly false. The vets will run it because 95% of the time there will no new player and they can speed run to their heart desire. And people are only new-player once. That 95% increases to 99% and then 99.9% over time. The odds of seeing a new player will only get lower over time. For the odd chance you get a 1st-timer just wait for them. Pay is forward. It is good for the game and good for the community.

[ElHeggunte]

That is also blatantly false. The vets will run it because 95% of the time there will no new player and they can speed run to their heart desire. And people are only new-player once. That 95% increases to 99% and then 99.9% over time. The odds of seeing a new player will only get lower over time. For the odd chance you get a 1st-timer just wait for them. Pay is forward. It is good for the game and good for the community.

What? Vets only run the Story Roulette because you get a 100 tome bonus for new players. There's almost always a new player present, often times several. Outside of other vets who do it to carry a friend, I've never seen or heard of a vet that does them "just for fun". Yes, over time the number of new players in the dungeons will dwindle, but right now they're abundant enough to keep the vets in queue.

[Alukah]

That is also blatantly false. The vets will run it because 95% of the time there will no new player and they can speed run to their heart desire. And people are only new-player once. That 95% increases to 99% and then 99.9% over time. The odds of seeing a new player will only get lower over time. For the odd chance you get a 1st-timer just wait for them. Pay is forward. It is good for the game and good for the community.

People run MS for the rewards, if you add a restriction that forces the run to take 1 hour people will move to other content that gives the same reward with less effort, this is why they chose to not intervene when it comes to watching cutscenes, if people were forced to watch them every time the queue will die because running MS wont be worth the time spent.

This is a quote that has been running around from support desk

"Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).

To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc)."

[IndigoHawk]

Nope, it's not a two way street. Duty finders favor noobs. It's not at all selfish to gives noobs a good experience, because everyone is a noob at some point and deserves a good experience.

If you want to speedrun, use party finder.
If you roulette and get a noob, you are being paid extra tomes to help them out. Let them watch cutscenes and have fun with them. If you don't know how to have fun with noobs, then don't roulette.

Wait for noobs to finish cutscenes before starting fights. Rushing ahead AND getting extra tomestones ... wow, you are literally being paid to compensate for the extra time the noobs need and you still can't think about anyone besides yourself.

[ElHeggunte]

Nope, it's not a two way street. Duty finders favor noobs. It's not at all selfish to gives noobs a good experience, because everyone is a noob at some point and deserves a good experience.

If you want to speedrun, use party finder.
If you roulette and get a noob, you are being paid extra tomes to help them out. Let them watch cutscenes and have fun with them. If you don't know how to have fun with noobs, then don't roulette.

Wait for noobs to finish cutscenes before starting fights. Rushing ahead AND getting extra tomestones ... wow, you are literally being paid to compensate for the extra time the noobs need and you still can't think about anyone besides yourself.

It is a two-way street. During a dungeon the majority rules. If most of the party wants to watch or wait for cutscenes, you're a jackass for trying to press ahead. If most of the party wants to press ahead you're free to stay behind and watch the cutscenes, but you're in no position to demand that the rest of the party waits for you. That's just the way it is.

At the end of the day the vets keeping you from spending hours if not days in queue are how they're helping you, they're under no further obligation to supplement your dungeon experience. And this is coming from someone who doesn't mind new players watching their cutscenes.

[Kaethra]

That is utter BS. They do not get to force the 1st-timer to speed run by locking them out of the boss rooms. This not fair trade, that is harassment and should be reported to the GM.

The reverse is true too (if this was considered harassment, which it isn't). If the majority don't wish to wait, then the one watching the cutscene is 'afk trolling' and can be reported for harassment too. First timers can't force vets to watch cutscenes, either.

Like I said, let them watch the cutscene and continue as if they weren't there. They give an extra 100 myth so its worth going with one or two short. And it doesn't hurt them, they can't be killed or damaged in a cutscene. They sit and watch and enjoy the show while the rest play the instance. In addition the first timers ALSO get the extra 100 myth as well so they get like 130 for watching cutscenes.

As for reporting people 'abusing' the vote kick feature. Won't work. They've stated in the past that differences in playstyle is a valid reason for vote kicking. There is no set of rules for each dungeon and encounter in the game. Pulling a boss early is unwise in many cases, but if the intent is to kill it either way, then no trolling or harassment is going on. It just means the others who were locked out just weren't quick enough to get in. And they can be booted for it, just like the ones who jump the gun can be booted for it as well.

See the issue here is you, the one I quoted. Want players to play YOUR way. Screw what they think, screw how the feel. Threaten them with reports and bans so you can peer pressure them into it. Sorry it doesn't work like that. And YOUR actions and words are why Newbies are getting booted. You're the cause, Congrats.

Because people like me don't mind running with first time newbies. We really don't. I love it, I get to tell them how to do the Gaius fight and the Ultima weapon fight easily. And the extra myth doesn't hurt. But I also want to get through the content in a reasonable amount of time. Why should someone like me who does like to help, be ostracized and goaded into playing in a way I don't want to just because someone else thinks I'm a horrible person, when I'm just the opposite?

All you're doing is forcing players like me to be hostile instead and hang up the helpfulness and just go in there and boot out those who might get in the way. You are creating monsters with statements like "that is harassment and should be reported to the GM." The good news is, I know not all newbies have the same attitude you do, and are worth helping. But the problem is, not everyone is as lenient or as accepting as I am. And you're doing little to help the situation.

[RyuDragnier]

When you done PR a million times, you soon too will know why.

Wait, you're telling me you can't 5-7 man the dungeon? You poor soul...

The dungeon is so easy that you could miss 1 healer, 1 tank, and a DPS to the cutscenes and still easily come out on top on the bosses, even Ultima when he's about to self-destruct.

[Wyrmnus]

Nope, it's not a two way street. Duty finders favor noobs. It's not at all selfish to gives noobs a good experience, because everyone is a noob at some point and deserves a good experience.

If you want to speedrun, use party finder.
If you roulette and get a noob, you are being paid extra tomes to help them out. Let them watch cutscenes and have fun with them. If you don't know how to have fun with noobs, then don't roulette.

Wait for noobs to finish cutscenes before starting fights. Rushing ahead AND getting extra tomestones ... wow, you are literally being paid to compensate for the extra time the noobs need and you still can't think about anyone besides yourself.

You sure do LOVE using the word Noob, don'tcha.

[StouterTaru]

Easy solution for people not wanting a long run, don't do main scenario roulette. I love seeing the noob bonus on expert and trials, don't do the others any more.

[Kaethra]

Wait, you're telling me you can't 5-7 man the dungeon? You poor soul...

The dungeon is so easy that you could miss 1 healer, 1 tank, and a DPS to the cutscenes and still easily come out on top on the bosses, even Ultima when he's about to self-destruct.

A tank and healer worth their salt could probably duo the place. There's no way the cutscenes are going to take so long that ALL 6 DPS are going to be still in them when the last boss starts casting Ultima. And even if they were, that would mean the Tank has enough dps that he could get it down quick enough (but thats an impossibility). But that leads to an interesting fact. The last cutscene before Ultima Weapon always puts you IN the arena. That means you can't be locked out, which means it was intended for people to be able to start the fight with players in the CS and join in once they are done.

No one is going to join a PF for CM.

That's what Free Companies are for. I went through CM and PR with my Free Company after I hit 50. I didn't go into a DF with all random strangers. And we watched the cutscenes. So why can't everyone else? I mean if there is so many against skipping cutscenes (newbie or not), there should be enough of you to make a Linkshell or Free Company that are willing to help each other. I mean I do it with my FCmates.

There's a tendency for the people in this game's community to point fingers at others for being 'part of the problem' yet they refuse by their own inaction to be 'part of the solution'. Hypocritical if you ask me.

Me? I compromise. I tell the ones in the group complaining about those watching the cutscenes to shut it and let them watch. But I let them continue as long as one healer and one tank are available. If both tanks are new (I usually queue healer, so what the other healer does doesn't matter, I can solo heal easily), then we wait. But as long I as I have a tank who's willing to go in while the others watch, then we go in and complete.

Most newbies are fine with that. I stick up for them, they appreciate it and they let me have my quick instance run while they enjoy the cutscenes. That my friends is how a community is SUPPOSED to work. You compromise. Everyone gives in a little. My runs take about 5-10 min longer depending on how many want to watch, and they get to watch. Its a win win situation.

But yet we have people that say -I- am wrong. They won't give an inch. Who's the bad guy now?