New Gun Class/job

[TrystWildkey]

so you want to use an extreme to make a point?

what does that do for you? oh pls that's like people saying they could do 3k fates and not get a atma and that makes it *bad*

or they can 100 t9's and not get a blm weapon and the drops rigged.

RNG is RNG. I do always advocate for a token system in cases like that, especially with primal weapons, but not necessarily with regard to relic weapons. Relic weapons should take a long time.

RNG, is different from housing. Housing is absolutely NOT available. At all. To anyone who didn't grab a plot of land early. AND it will be pretty much the same situation when the next patch comes out. Because plots will (at least for the foreseeable future) be LIMITED.

If my example is an extreme, yet it's EXACTLY how housing was implemented, doesn't it then follow that the implementation of housing was in itself extreme? To introduce an element into the game that, no matter how hard or long you work, you won't be able to participate in?

It's even worse when gardening is also INACCESSIBLE due to a lack of housing plots for everyone.

How can you say that anything about the housing implementation is reasonable?

[ZReport]

RNG, is different from housing. Housing is absolutely NOT available. At all. To anyone who didn't grab a plot of land early. AND it will be pretty much the same situation when the next patch comes out. Because plots will (at least for the foreseeable future) be LIMITED.

If my example is an extreme, yet it's EXACTLY how housing was implemented, doesn't it then follow that the implementation of housing was in itself extreme? To introduce an element into the game that, no matter how hard or long you work, you won't be able to participate in?

It's even worse when gardening is also INACCESSIBLE due to a lack of housing plots for everyone.

How can you say that anything about the housing implementation is reasonable?

What you're essentially saying is that housing will be inaccessible forever.

Camman. It'll only be inaccessible for the next 5 years, at best.

[Musashidon]

How can you say that anything about the housing implementation is reasonable?

rng is rng so everything is fine? this is my point

you can say housing is inaccessible but for whom? we get a free inn anyone can join a fc with a fc house and get a room for 300k and you also want a personal house?

the only thing inaccessible is gardening and that's because only so many people can use a garden.

housing isn't inaccessible cause there is multiple ways you get to have your own room.

the problem is you want it to be how you want it to be and it isn't

so my question is how is it not reasonable? because not everyone can have a personal house?

[TrystWildkey]

Personal housing is unreasonable for multiple reasons:

-same as fc housing, so either you get 50+ of your friends to help you buy it, or for the SAME PRICE, you buy it all on your own.
-same as fc housing, so you're competing against individuals and groups for the same plots.
-gardening is walled off behind housing. Even if I had an FC house, I might not be high enough in the command structure to decide what goes in the garden.
-Lastly: if ANY other game feature, dungeon, job, side-quest, drop, literally ANYTHING else was limited to ~200 players per server for the first few weeks, then STILL limited to a small percentage, it would be unreasonable. Why is it reasonable simply because it's housing?

Or is it only reasonable because you're not interested in it??

[Musashidon]

hey look we went full circle.

welp this discussion is over.

[TrystWildkey]

hey look we went full circle.

welp this discussion is over.

Thought so, it's only reasonable because you're not interested in it.

[Musashidon]

Thought so, it's only reasonable because you're not interested in it.

you know about assumptions it makes an ass out of you and me.

no i won't argue because you have nothing to back up your case

you use extremes which doesn't help anyone because if we based all our decisions on extremes we'd have nothing

you say personal housing should be for everyone which once again doesn't make it bad

and you say people who are against it are not interested when sure that could be right for some but others could just be fine with it because we are given alternatives.

[TrystWildkey]

you know about assumptions it makes an ass out of you and me.

no i won't argue because you have nothing to back up your case

you use extremes which doesn't help anyone because if we based all our decisions on extremes we'd have nothing

you say personal housing should be for everyone which once again doesn't make it bad

and you say people who are against it are not interested when sure that could be right for some but others could just be fine with it because we are given alternatives.

I mentioned multiple reasons why housing, as currently implemented, was unreasonable.
I did not use extremes, I merely applied the current housing availability situation to other game features as a comparison to highlight its unreasonableness.
Housing should at least be available to everyone, like everything else in this game.
I didn't say people against it aren't interested. I said that it appears that your only reasoning for why housing, as currently implemented is reasonable, is because you're not interested in it.

You've not given a single reason why it's reasonable to release a feature in a way that it will always be of severely limited availability.

Enjoy your life!

[Tridus1x]

you use extremes.

How is it extreme when his concerns literally happened during the latest patch? I'm not interested in anything 2.4 has to offer, so I think Yoshi-P should put a 300mil gil restriction to continue main story quest line/shiva/anything. That sounds fun!

People want to enjoy new things added to the game. This isn't FFXI, the days of spending 5 years of your life to get something are a thing of the past...or one would of hoped. Just because you don't care about something doesn't make others concerns invalid.

Fanboy is strong in this one.