Why all the White Knights?

[Tigercub]

Ah, so every reviewer of this game was nothing but a raging troll liar, amirite? It is a perfect gem of playability that has been hampered by a conspiracy to keep its total awesomeness a secret. And SE is not charging subs because the game is so horrible it would lose any chance of attracting a paying customer who isn't a blind whiteknight, but because they just want to give a gift to mmo players with taste.

Do I have that right?

Um, the game sucks. It has loads of problems. But targeting isn't one of them. Neither is the archer "nerf". Everyone saw that coming. I'm a little on the fence about whether the MP changes were too extreme, we'll see how that plays out, but THM and CON definitely needed some changes in order to make this game challenging.

My point is that not every complaint that hits the forums is really legit. It's people losing their s^#t because something didn't go their way. Just because I call someone on their histrionics doesn't mean I'm SE's personal ball washer. Same goes for anyone else who has a bit of a /rolleyes moment at some of these complaints.

By the way - how the hell did you pull all of that from me suggesting he/she use the target nearest NPC key? I was suggesting one way to actually solve the problem. Your weird retort doesn't even make sense.

[Neptune]

Funny enough, instead of understanding the otherside of the argument, people seem to default to calling them "fanboys" or "white knights" and "defending" simply because they refuse to accept anything else.



False -- It was designed to be casual friendly which the guildleves were supposed to be but it launched with ONLY guildleve content which misconstrued the vision of the game, btw, Square themselves said the original direction wasn't the best idea/a mistake.

You talk a lot of crap Jennestia but here you are crossing the line. FFXIV was designed as a 100% SOLO game. 100% Not even 99% solo. They said countless times how you can solo any class, any mission, the whole main scenario, solo to cap, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. At no point, whatsoever, did anyone from the dev team ever say there would be content restricted to parties. So suck on that.

To me, the term white knight designates someone who is like someone with blind faith. See you are blind because you just said it is false that this was a soloable game. You are not working on a full appraisal of the situation. We understand your side - and it's offensive. You should appreciate the concerns of others because supporting them will ultimately lead to you having a better entertainment experience. You are ill.

OP is exactly right, what the hell are you lot thinking flaming people for talking about flaws? It's like in my bug report thread where people were flaming people that were having problems WITH THE GAME CRASHING.

Your behavior is aligned with people in a cult that defend their cult leader of crimes. You're too invested to see clearly. You need to step back. Let go of your sense of dignity. We don't care about your reputation. We care about how you treat people in the future. Many people here are willing to forgive. Just think of others..

[SuzakuCMX]

You talk a lot of crap Jennestia but here you are crossing the line. FFXIV was designed as a 100% SOLO game. 100% Not even 99% solo. They said countless times how you can solo any class, any mission, the whole main scenario, solo to cap, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. At no point, whatsoever, did anyone from the dev team ever say there would be content restricted to parties. So suck on that.

I remember a lot of talk about casual players but none about solo outside of leves.

[GabbaGabba]

theres a big difference between a whiner/complainer/moaner/troll than someone who critiques and applies logic to issues.

saying something is wrong with this, somethings wrong with that, rage, i quit.....without saying why its wrong or actually giving it any thought is why theres "white knights"

wait maybe 24hrs while things settle down and people figure things out before saying somethings broken and needs fixing.

[Kataomoi]

In all honesty, even as a FFXI and XIV fan who probably defends the games more than they deserve to be defended, I don't believe in blindly assuming every change SE will make is going to be good. For those who think they need to bash anyone with a dissenting opinion of a change, it hurts the community in addition to making progress taboo. There are many issues with the current system, and perhaps the development team is way ahead of us in getting it straightened out, but at this stage it deserves a good deal of the complaints people have.

Complaints aren't ALWAYS whining, and defending the game isn't always being a white knight. Personally, I'd like to see some more constructive conversations going on. My 2 cents.

[Abriael]

Why all the whiners?

No MMORPG has ever survived without nerfs. No matter how much brainless people think that a developer can make everyone happy in little lala land. Trying to make everyone happy is the worst enemy of balance. Anyone that complains about nerfs IS a whiner, and deserves to be exposed as such.

"Complaints" aren't necessarily valid just because you say they are.

By the way, i soloed perfectly fine today. Maybe someone just needs to learn to play.

PS: If you say that an auction house is between the "Things that matter", you don't have the slightest idea of what this game needs. Scratch that, of what ANY MMORPG needs.
We already have an Auction house. It's called Market Wards, and it works basically like an Auction house. The fact that you'd want SE to waste resources on implementing something else just because you have the delusion that something called "auction house" would work magically that much better to be placed between the "things that matter", you aren't a whiner. You simply lack a brain.

[Neptune]

I remember a lot of talk about casual players but none about solo outside of leves.

You have been pardoned, for I have seen your soul, and it is good.

[SuzakuCMX]

You have been pardoned, for I have seen your soul, and it is good.

Ok, but where is all this talk about all aspects of the game being able to be solo'd that I missed?

[Neptune]

Ok, but where is all this talk about all aspects of the game being able to be solo'd that I missed?

Dev team interview, http://ps3.ign.com/articles/991/991483p1.html

"the heavy team-play aspect of FF11 has been deemphasized"

Dev team interview, http://www.ffxivvault.com/question-and-answer.php

"FFXI was built firmly on the premise of the party system, but FFXIV will try to be more supportive of solo play and any of the other varied things that users would like to do."

Dev team interview, http://www.ffxivorigin.com/content/p...nch-party-154/

"Right now, the game is made so it is possible to solo"

Tanaka, famitsu, http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/inte...romichi-tanaka

"Firstly, compared to auto battle, this battle system has more room for customization and strategy. Commands are personally chosen by the player. In FFXI, because of the jobs, partying was a necessity. Depending on the circumstance in FFXIV, I can either go solo or join a small party."

Tanaka, http://www.swaggerffxiv.com/2010/09/...march-forward/

"Guildleves are designed to encourage party play."

Tanaka, http://www.1up.com/previews/final-fantasy-xiv

"While FFXI has changed over time, it's still party based," Tanaka adds. "For FFXIV, if you want to play solo you can. If you want to play in a party you can. If you want to jump in play for 40 minutes or for long sessions you can. We'll offer different play styles for many different people."

[SuzakuCMX]

Dev team interview, http://ps3.ign.com/articles/991/991483p1.html

"the heavy team-play aspect of FF11 has been deemphasized"

Dev team interview, http://www.ffxivvault.com/question-and-answer.php

"FFXI was built firmly on the premise of the party system, but FFXIV will try to be more supportive of solo play and any of the other varied things that users would like to do."

Dev team interview, http://www.ffxivorigin.com/content/p...nch-party-154/

Tanaka, famitsu, http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/inte...romichi-tanaka

"Firstly, compared to auto battle, this battle system has more room for customization and strategy. Commands are personally chosen by the player. In FFXI, because of the jobs, partying was a necessity. Depending on the circumstance in FFXIV, I can either go solo or join a small party."
"Right now, the game is made so it is possible to solo"

Tanaka, http://www.swaggerffxiv.com/2010/09/...march-forward/

"Guildleves are designed to encourage party play."

Tanaka, http://www.1up.com/previews/final-fantasy-xiv

"While FFXI has changed over time, it's still party based," Tanaka adds. "For FFXIV, if you want to play solo you can. If you want to play in a party you can. If you want to jump in play for 40 minutes or for long sessions you can. We'll offer different play styles for many different people."

Thankies.

But 3 of those were Tanaka, who is no longer in charge, so those aren't relevant as of this patch, and the first 2 say nothing about everything being able to be solo'd.

However I do agree that as of right now, the difference between solo efficiency and party efficiency is too harsh :P But it's as simple as tweaking SP rates.