I challenge you think hard about your housing qualms with SE

[reality_check]

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

[Chasely]

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

So you're saying that, in addition to a housing shortage and insane gil requirements, Gil-P is also forcing his poorly-planned system behind gates which require long grinds. That makes it even worse, you know.

[Kallera]

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

Tell that to the devs, apparently we've all got monocles and top hats according to the studies they don't show us.

[Lii]

Tell that to the devs, apparently we've all got monocles and top hats according to the studies they don't show us.

The prices of the houses also took in account the limited amount of them. Right now only the rich can get houses, but they are going to keep adding wards so even the poor masses will be able to get a house.

[Chasely]

The prices of the houses also took in account the limited amount of them. Right now only the rich can get houses, but they are going to keep adding wards so even the poor masses will be able to get a house.

Gil-P never said that at all. In fact, on multiple occasions, he's said that anyone without the odd 5 million lying around is lazy. This includes him, of course. He only has 2 million gil. Luckily, he can (and does) program things in to give himself whatever he wants.

What bothers me most is, in order to even unlock housing, we've had to slay gods, bring entire armies of beastmen to their knees single-handedly, and saved the entire known world from utter annihilation; and the game thanks us by charging us more for a small housing deed than most of ul'Dah's merchants will ever see in their entire lifetimes.

What kind of greedy, selfish jerks have we been helping all this time..?

[Jynx]

/sarcasm yep you're right. They aren't planning on adding more lots nor are they planning on adding more wards when 2.4 drops..... This is truly all we'll ever have /facepalm

You are aware that now that housing is open to all players the ammount of space available is severly limited as compared to when a entire FC had to be formed just to obtain one right? This would take thousands of potential home seekers (per server) in a house that their FC owned instead of each person in a 100 man FC tried to buy up all the houses they could.

But hey your right, they are gonna double it in 2.4 and in the future...just wait for a few years and maybe everyone can finally be able to get a house even if they have the money!

[Lii]

yoshi-P never said that at all. In fact, on multiple occasions, he's said that anyone without the odd 5 million lying around is lazy. This includes him, of course. He only has 2 million gil. Luckily, he can (and does) program things in to give himself whatever he wants.

Well it is very easy to get gil in this game, it practically throws it at you. I didnt even have to try to earn gil and I had the 5 mil for the house I bought.

[Quesse]

I think these forums can be an incredible difficult place. On one hand, it's a great feed of live communication with other players and the development team of the game we all love.

On the other hand, I believe that sometimes it's very easy to form an opinion based off of the current band wagon mentality of the forums.

I challenge you think about the following points, and my replies, while doing the difficult task of putting your emotions to the side. In the end, just like every other human being, you're entitled to your opinion. But, your opinion is only more valid once you've seriously considered the other possible stances regarding this issue.

Housing is too expensive
But, is it? Every reward in an MMORPG comes with work. You wouldn't log onto an mmorpg and expect to be max level without any effort. You wouldn't expect to log into a new patch and be able to instantly grab the newest most powerful loot from new bosses.

MMORPGs are based off of delayed gratification and working hard for your goal. Housing is no different. If you only have 300,000G in your inventory, ask yourself: Have I truly been working towards affording a house? Have I been working as hard as I do in other aspects of the game? You probably spent a good 70-80 hours getting to level 50 for the first time. How many hours have you spent farming gil?

I'm saying it's too expensive based off what the developers said
I've heard a lot of things tossed around. Number one: the developers insinuated that 850k was the ballpark for housing. Number two: the developers said it would be less than Free Company housing.

You can currently purchase a house for ~1,500,000G after it is fully devalued (basing prices off of the middle category of pricing.) This is almost double what the 850k number is; however, it is consistent with costing significantly less than what Free Company housing was going for when the housing wards were initially released.

When the housing wards were initially released, I remember buying pineapple juice consistently for raiding at the price of <1000G. Now, I am lucky to buy it for 3000G. There are many examples like this to show that even though the initial plot prices have remained the same, there is a lot of inflation. If you compare relative buying power of gil, being able to afford a 1,500,000G fully devalued house is a LOT more doable than it was when the housing was initially released.

I have all the money I need for a house, but there aren't any small houses left!
Are you SURE there aren't any small houses left? If this is the actually the case, you're probably on a legacy server. And this is a valid complaint. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to buy a house if you have the gil.

But, the reality is that this isn't the case for most servers. I feel for the people who are out of luck on legacy servers though.

I don't want to compete with Free Companies to buy a house
I don't see this really as an issue. Most Free Companies bought houses long before the individual housing was released. If anything, I think sharing wards with Free Companies only creates for a neighbourhood with more people running around it, which is a very cool feel in an online game. And, more people to water your flowers for you.


Are you still upset about housing? You probably are. And that's fine. But just remember this:

This, too, will pass in time.

Think back to everything that have passed: login capacity at launch, incredibly high repair costs draining everyone's gil, instance capacity and waiting in AK queues for 60 minutes to get one run done, first Titan HM kills being glitchfests, warriors being useless tanks, being so excited to fight Behemoth and dying to an invisible mob at 1FPS, original housing being unaffordable, hunts have way to little HP, S ranks being invisible to 95% of people there.

Think about all of these things that upset us in the past. I look back and smile now. Did I enjoy the game still? Do I still enjoy the game? For me, the answer is yes.

Just so you're aware, the whole reason there is and will be limited land, and prices are so high is because Yoshi does NOT want everyone to be able to buy a house. Since their server infrastructure is substandard, we get to the pay the price of SE's poor planning by not having enough land slots at a decent price to go around.

Also, while we're on the subject, housing/land costs are so high because the economy has been mismanaged. Remember when all the whiners were complaining that there wasn't enough gil fountains? Now there is so much gil in circulation that large PERSONAL houses can cost up to 87 MILLION Gil. That is completely ludicrous. Again, the subscriber pays the ultimate price.

I worked hard in 1.0 to get around 30 million gil which was a respectable amount in that game. FC/Personal housing was being talked about and I felt I would have plenty to purchase a house. That's how long I've been patiently waiting. I had my gil chopped by a factor of 10 when 2.0 hit down to 3 million. I hoped that Yoshi would stay true to his word that this was a true redenomination. But I was skeptical because the max gil you could carry in 1.0 was 999 million and it remained the same in 2.0. I worked hard again and had gotten my total up to 10 million before 2.38 thinking that would be plenty to buy a mediumish house when separate personal housing came. I thought it would be fine because, you know, personal housing would be much cheaper I had been told.

Imagine my shock, after all those months, when 2.38 hit and I finally got a chance to login. The cheapest house available for purchase was 27 million gil - this would have been 270 million in 1.0 which is a completely insane crazy bananas amount of gil if you played 1.0 at all.

I'm extremely disappointed and have stopped playing for the meantime. Salt has been poured on my wounds as I realized that my real problem is that I'm stuck on a Legacy server on which everything is purposefully inflated. During 1.0 it was said the FC housing would be priced appropriately so that a few people would have to pool their gil together. So the lie that personal housing would be cheaper goes back even further than Yoshi's statement some months ago. Pricing both the same is an insulting decision and is deeply duplicitous.

[reality_check]

I'm stuck on a Legacy server on which everything is purposefully inflated..

Yes, the legacy server situation is broken. And, hopefully this gets fixed in time.

[CrystalObsidian]

Well it is very easy to get gil in this game, it practically throws it at you. I didnt even have to try to earn gil and I had the 5 mil for the house I bought.

Apparently you didn't spend gil either. Not everyone conserves money like you, and therefore most people on average have less than one mil. :P
Some of us actually work hard on materia melds, crafting, and now lately buying food for chocos or investing in gardening. There's always SOMETHING I need to buy at some point based on how I play and what I'm leveling. Chances are you don't do any of those things so you're rich as all get out. A lot of us choose a more pricey-path to enjoy the rest of the game's content.