Hey Yoshi, you said personal housing "will be far more affordable."

[Syrehn]

SE, if anything, just tell us you have plans to implement Actual Personal Housing soon.

Give us a privatized option, a cottage in the woods all to ourselves etc.

Make it cost only like 900k & be instanced.

For people who wish to be in a neighborhood with FC's, they can keep their FC-Personal Homes.

For the rest of us, give us a getaway home that's affordable & instanced so you don't run into stupid hardware issues.

A home in a secluded desert Oasis or on a cliff overlooking luscious Limsan pastures. Give us a number of options.

Get creative.

Just tell us now you intend to implement a LEGITIMATE Personal Housing System before everybody wastes their irl cash on RMT or spends their hard-earned Gil.

Yeah... all of this ^... is a pipe dream and not going to happen. Yoshi already stated in that sticky topic that they were going to move ahead as is. >_<

The only way I see what they've done can currently be salvaged while maintaining their current path is something like the following:

1) Grandfather anyone who has already purchased a "Personal House" into their existing wards.
2) When new wards are added (or existing ones extended) make it so that the original FC buildings (S/M/L) are left only to the FC's.
3) In order make the most use out of the housing servers extend the wards by adding more S houses to them that can only be purchased by individuals; possibly at half the cost of the current S houses. Doing something like this would allow individuals and FC's to co-exist in the same ward without competing for buildings.

[ShadesDaughter]

My observations:

FC Falters: I had around 800,000 gil when housing dropped. By noon there were no small places in Goblet. At 30mil start on med's I told FC members there would be no hard feelings if they went to one that has house & stables. (I can't even dye my chocobo.)

Bots: 5 hunting bots in past 2 hours. That's up from 0 for past 6 months.

Solutions:

Room rentals For the 300k FC members pay at FC, let players rent long term at inn and decorate it themselves.

Chocob stable rental - Bentbranch would be perfect to let players be able to train and dye their chocobos. I lead my own free company so may never get the black chocobo I so desperately wanted.

I am just poking at the story while I enjoy casual RP with friends (SO much more relaxing than the HURRY & POWER UP of past year on Goblin), so thanks to all those who made such a fun experience and made it super-friendly to old RPG players like me. Hopefully housing gets better.

[Beetle]

Focus will always be on the prices at release, but after one month these prices will be halved. The average amount of gil in possession is much greater than you all imagine, and we are concerned that if we were to lower the cost of land for personal housing any further it would exacerbate problems like RMT and the purchase of land by secondary characters.

They should of let RMT buy the houses. Think about it... thats large sum of gil taken out from the RMT. Then 1 month later ban all of them from housing.

[Parz3val]

Why not reduce the "value of Gil" to eliminate RMT?

It's a theme-park MMO anyway, mostly vanity-based, let us enjoy the content for cheaper.

Or give us an option to buy a house from Mog Station as some have mentioned.

Some of us have neither the desire nor the time to spend hours accruing Gil.

I barely have time in my week to do Dailies & make tangible progress on my Relic (personally).

Let Gold Saucer be the big Gil sink but not pay-to-win.

It's unreasonable the prices you guys tag onto so many things like Augmented AF or Housing anyway.

On-Topic:tell us your plan SE, because the current model won't work in the long-term as people have pointed out (low % of elite pop. owning homes even if you double Wards).

[Titor]

Bots: 5 hunting bots in past 2 hours. That's up from 0 for past 6 months.

We are on the same server and I assure you that I have seen at least 6 bots in the last month alone and even more in the past six months. I have no idea where you are looking but they are littered all over coerthas (though a few of them got recently bannned) and there are many of the RMT THMs, way, way before this patch.

[Linka]

I really hope that something will happen soon, like an announcement or statement. I my eyes they need to come up with a new plan and revamp the personal housing. I would gladly wait some more time if there will be actually something that is worth waiting, not like this thing that we got few days ago <,<

[Niwashi]

Simply put, the low pop servers aren't going to have nearly as much issue with availability as the high pop servers.

Edit to add: this is something the devs most certainly should have considered...

There seems to be an awful lot that they should have considered. It doesn't look as though they considered anything at all other than how to make this "feature" into a way to skim off the excess gil from those who have (in their eyes) gathered far too much of it. They neglected to remember that the feature is still supposed to be an actual feature of the game we're all playing.

On Free Company Gardens, I kinda wonder why they bothered with a plot when they could have... I don't know... Had a Green House option? Similar to the Stable, you just place it outside and everyone gets a Garden. Zone into it the same way you do Private Rooms and that gives everyone some Gardening space...

And Nalien gets the award for the most constructive suggestion yet in a really long rant thread. It wouldn't fix the personal housing issues, but it would take care of the biggest problem with FC houses.

I believe that something with their real housing plans went catastrophically awry, rendering the system they'd been working on for months unusable, and that this was an emergency fallback measure, seen as preferable to pushing personal housing back again.

It is the single worst measure they could have taken. Difficulties cause frustration but are easily forgiven. Obfuscation like this leads to an impression of detachment and dissonance between client and business, and has inflamed tempers exponentially more than "shit, guys, there's a huge problem and it won't work T_T" would have.

Exactly. People can forgive genuine difficulties. They won't forgive being treated with the sort of distain we're seeing from SE.

Patch might have been well received if they did that lol, people would have focused on the little changes to zones (Rev Toll, Limsa), crap ton of QoL changes (for a small patch), mog quests, bug fixes... but no.

They gave us gear comparisons. I really like that one. In fact, overall SE actually seems quite good at getting out a lot of the QoL improvements that players ask for.

It's just the big feature design issues like this where they keep totally screwing up and, worse yet, seem so completely out of touch. Different team doing the high-level design I guess. Too bad they've got their worst people at the top.

[Linka]

OK i am sorry these discussions were mostly kept pretty reasonable till now, we dont need any trolls who basically say "Hey my conetnt is more valuable then yours so stop crying about it you have no right to do so" Fact is Housing was pretty much the big content many ppl were waiting for, and many ppl dont care about raiding at all. So it is completely unimportant if you compare it to raiding or whatever. Players got promised great content, they got crap, so they have all right to complain about it.

[Colt47]

OK i am sorry these discussions were mostly kept pretty reasonable till now, we dont need any trolls who basically say "Hey my conetnt is more valuable then yours so stop crying about it you have no right to do so" Fact is Housing was pretty much the big content many ppl were waiting for, and many ppl dont care about raiding at all. So it is completely unimportant if you compare it to raiding or whatever. Players got promised great content, they got crap, so they have all right to complain about it.

Best not to bring raiding into this. That is a whole different ballgame from housing, although yes, it is another section of the game that is turning into a facepalming issue. Right now playing in the end game of Final Fantasy XIV ARR feels like playing in the land of broken promises and dreams mounted on the ideas of yesteryear. This is starting to turn into Ghost Crawler all over again.

[Jynx]

I just can't wait until the next time they release a new ward that some super rich FC just buys up every single plot of land to make it their own instance.