How much DPS does Selene actually add?

[Kyros]

All right, some math time. Let's imagine 3 scenarios, a SS-oriented BLM (Best Case) a DRG (Average) and a barely-using any SS SMN (Worst case).

I simply took the default BiS builds from Ariyala's and the stat weight for this calculations. I used the simplified (Stat Weight)/2 formula for calculating DPS.

BLM:
514 Spell Speed at 0.258 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 154.2 extra SS, which in turns translate to around +39.78 DPS. At half uptime, this is +19.89 DPS.

DRG:
430 Skill Speed at 0.178 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 129 extra SS, which in turns translate to around +22.962 DPS. At half uptime, this is +11.481 DPS.

SMN:
410 SS at 0.0.94 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 123 SS, which turns into +11.56 DPS. At half uptime, this is +5.781 DPS.


So there you have it. Most of the time the real number should be somewhere around where the DRG stands. A BLM focusing on SS isn't very common and that is a very specific case, whereas a SMN ignoring SS altogether is the expected. Do remember that Tanks get a smaller boost, and SCH is on the same boat as SMN as far as DPS goes (So Selene doesn't add much to the SCH's own DPS).

[reality_check]

All right, some math time. Let's imagine 3 scenarios, a SS-oriented BLM (Best Case) a DRG (Average) and a barely-using any SS SMN (Worst case).
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Wow this is so helpful thanks!

[Dwill]

SMN:
410 SS at 0.0.94 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 123 SS, which turns into +11.56 DPS. At half uptime, this is +5.781 DPS.

I really should ask Ariyala to change that value as it isn't true. Spell Speed is closer to 0,065 for summoner, which makes it even more worse. Summoner BiS builds are under 400 Spell Speed which makes Selene less than 1% of a DPS buff for summoners.

[Kyros]

The SMN's SS comes from HA book and some earring where the other option isn't much better, I think. Also I just noticed I have an extra 0 on there, woops!

[Duelle]

I really should ask Ariyala to change that value as it isn't true. Spell Speed is closer to 0,065 for summoner, which makes it even more worse. Summoner BiS builds are under 400 Spell Speed which makes Selene less than 1% of a DPS buff for summoners.

Can only imagine what would happen if SS was changed to affect the DoT ticks of SMN spells...

[Dwill]

The SMN's SS comes from HA book and some earring where the other option isn't much better, I think. Also I just noticed I have an extra 0 on there, woops!

I wasn't questioning the origin of the 410 really, it was just rore just to say that the value 0.094 you gave is erroneous. It was actually still nice to see someone else math out the Selene buff just to show how terrible Spell Speed is for Summoner

Can only imagine what would happen if SS was changed to affect the DoT ticks of SMN spells...

Seeing as we are close to being number 1 on most encounters, Spell Speed affecting DoTs will probably mean a nerf to all said DoTs and knowing Square Enix, we'd lose more than we'd gain so I'm happy where it is right now. Though if they were to look at how to make it better for us, making our pets benefit from it would actually be a start.

[xnonamex]

DRG:
430 Skill Speed at 0.178 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 129 extra SS, which in turns translate to around +22.962 DPS. At half uptime, this is +11.481 DPS.
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If only math would be so easy. In case of some classes spell speed boost is almost useless. I think DRG in this case is the worst. Why? Because dragoons rotations is highly rotation based - meaning what buffs are up and in which place you are in your combos. Additional spell speed usually does nothing much because then you are in a weird position where you either need to clip your buffs or start some combo which you will end in a position where you don't have your buffs up. Also drg spell speed actually gives so little in the actual time reduction that you normally wouldn't "squeeze" another skill in.

Monks are different scenario cuz they go for speed. And favour ss a lot.