How much DPS does Selene actually add?

[reality_check]

Assuming a full party of 8 people, has anyone theorized how much DPS Selene adds?

I honestly can't notice a difference on my spells when Selene's haste buffs are active, but I rarely play DPS.

As the majority of the FFXIV population is approaching ilevel 110 gear, the trend to replace a second healer or second tank with a DPS is becoming more and more popular.

Given that a scholar with the proper cross class abilities can push about 70% of the DPS that a regular caster DPS can push, depending on how much DPS Selene adds to the overall DPS of a raid, it seems disadvantageous to replace the scholar with a DPS.

But in truth, I really have no clue if Selene's haste buffs even add more than a moot amount of DPS to an 8-man raid.

[Elim]

The more skill speed or spell speed you have the more she adds. She has a flat % buff. It doesn't JUST help DPS it also helps healers, by the way. I can't give you hard numbers because I'm a lazy SOB, but I have come across charts before that show DPS output for all classes+what extra DPS can be pumped out with selene. Most classes get a decent boost. SMN doesn't really get much out of selene though.

[reality_check]

I definitely aagree that it helps healers too, I'm just wondering in the case where the group is only interested in additional DPS since that seems to be the trend to finish content faster when people start to outgear encounters.

[LalaRu]

...the group is only interested in additional DPS since that seems to be the trend to finish content faster when people start to outgear encounters.

Yes, and then whining on forum about some mechanics kicks in too early, making the group wipe. After learn how to dps, it needs also learn when to hold dps.

Even today, with a good percentage of endgame and geared player, I still have fun to see what dps players does at Praetorium when the instance of Ultima buffed starts.

[Kyros]

All right, some math time. Let's imagine 3 scenarios, a SS-oriented BLM (Best Case) a DRG (Average) and a barely-using any SS SMN (Worst case).

I simply took the default BiS builds from Ariyala's and the stat weight for this calculations. I used the simplified (Stat Weight)/2 formula for calculating DPS.

BLM:
514 Spell Speed at 0.258 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 154.2 extra SS, which in turns translate to around +39.78 DPS. At half uptime, this is +19.89 DPS.

DRG:
430 Skill Speed at 0.178 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 129 extra SS, which in turns translate to around +22.962 DPS. At half uptime, this is +11.481 DPS.

SMN:
410 SS at 0.0.94 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 123 SS, which turns into +11.56 DPS. At half uptime, this is +5.781 DPS.


So there you have it. Most of the time the real number should be somewhere around where the DRG stands. A BLM focusing on SS isn't very common and that is a very specific case, whereas a SMN ignoring SS altogether is the expected. Do remember that Tanks get a smaller boost, and SCH is on the same boat as SMN as far as DPS goes (So Selene doesn't add much to the SCH's own DPS).

[reality_check]

All right, some math time. Let's imagine 3 scenarios, a SS-oriented BLM (Best Case) a DRG (Average) and a barely-using any SS SMN (Worst case).
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Wow this is so helpful thanks!

[Dwill]

SMN:
410 SS at 0.0.94 Stat Weight.
Selene would add 123 SS, which turns into +11.56 DPS. At half uptime, this is +5.781 DPS.

I really should ask Ariyala to change that value as it isn't true. Spell Speed is closer to 0,065 for summoner, which makes it even more worse. Summoner BiS builds are under 400 Spell Speed which makes Selene less than 1% of a DPS buff for summoners.

[Kyros]

The SMN's SS comes from HA book and some earring where the other option isn't much better, I think. Also I just noticed I have an extra 0 on there, woops!

[Duelle]

I really should ask Ariyala to change that value as it isn't true. Spell Speed is closer to 0,065 for summoner, which makes it even more worse. Summoner BiS builds are under 400 Spell Speed which makes Selene less than 1% of a DPS buff for summoners.

Can only imagine what would happen if SS was changed to affect the DoT ticks of SMN spells...

[Dwill]

The SMN's SS comes from HA book and some earring where the other option isn't much better, I think. Also I just noticed I have an extra 0 on there, woops!

I wasn't questioning the origin of the 410 really, it was just rore just to say that the value 0.094 you gave is erroneous. It was actually still nice to see someone else math out the Selene buff just to show how terrible Spell Speed is for Summoner

Can only imagine what would happen if SS was changed to affect the DoT ticks of SMN spells...

Seeing as we are close to being number 1 on most encounters, Spell Speed affecting DoTs will probably mean a nerf to all said DoTs and knowing Square Enix, we'd lose more than we'd gain so I'm happy where it is right now. Though if they were to look at how to make it better for us, making our pets benefit from it would actually be a start.