29 Attempts of Garuda Ex - Raise ilvl Req or Fix

[wicked-one]

Ahhhh... Reminds me of my first Relic... I can´t say how many times we run against a wall called Titan HARDMODE....

29 Attempts? That was our "warming up" phase... just saying, if you don´t like Garuda EX, you won´t like what´s coming up ^^

[heheesyo]

Thousands and thousands? I wasn't aware you had access to the metrics SE uses to track such things.

Honestly I bet if they release the metrics on the endgame fights to show unique player clears, it's going to be so pitifully low for a lot of the fights. Then again I doubt SE will release this info with the upcoming census because it'll become apparent there's a problem with their design.

I'm quite certain multiple thousands have beat Garuda ex. Lmao

[FoxyAreku]

I cleared that when my scholar was item level 80 with only around 3200 hp. It wasn't even hard...we wiped a couple times, but didn't even come close to the time limit expiring.

Sorry you had bad luck with it, but you definitely don't need 4300 hp.

[EricCartmenez]

Ran Howling Eye EX and Whorleater EX several times with PUGs and I have yet to get a clear. Not to say that it doesn't happen. Key people don't know what to do, get KO'd and the inevitable Raise or Resurrection. This includes minimal health, MP and TP; so in these fights, it can be a pain. The mechanics, if learned, can be mastered relatively quickly and easily. I think there are people who watch Mr Happy or MTQcapture (Ms Tech?) but they don't really think about their own roles within the fight. For example, Ms Tech typically tanks while Mr Happy usually uses his Bard. These perspectives can skew how the listener understands the material. I know that when it came to tanking Whorleater, I was missing a key to making the healers' jobs easier. As a healer, I would know to switch tanks periodically but exactly when is still kind of in question. Ms. Tech does a good job of zooming in and explaining where to look and how to react. Mr Happy's voice is a little easier on the ears, and he doesn't feel the need to add odd music. Mr Happy blocks the chat window, so some telegraph cues can be missed. There's good and bad in both.

Point is that in the extreme battles, everyone is important. I think too many people get carried in HM and lower. They never take the time to really know their own cool downs or abilities. Heck, I was running Coil before I really took the time to learn my bard. No one had ever asked me to use Army's Paeon or Mage's Ballad, and I had never put Blunt Arrow to its intended use. I'm sure that I was one of many. As I cared more about my role in the team, I took a proactive (rather than reactive) approach to my actions. Whether I'm popping off a song to help my teammates or casting Medica II so that it actually casts at a precise time, I try to think about what's going to happen instead of reacting to what just happened.

If people don't take the time to do these things, that's when things go to heck. You're not carrying the 2nd tank through an extreme battle, regardless of your individual iLVL.

Then there's the helpful, "Stop F-ing up!" shout in chat. "Do your job!" Ah, I wondered what I was doing wrong. Thank you for that. Now we're all a better team and we bow to your awesomeness. I don't understand why so many people who have this attitude don't take the time before the fight to go over some of the mechanics. "Did you watch a video? OK, let's go." Really? If the screen is telling you that someone is still new, why do you assume that they got everything they need from the video? Then the inevitable wipe and "Do your f-n job!" Aw, the video didn't tell me to do my f-n job. That must be what I missed, does anyone have a notepad?

[Synestr]

Was bored yesterdaya nd no hunts ere up, daily bonus were burnt, and I finished my hunting log. Saw a Garuda EX in PF, joined. Never beat it untill yesterday. We used teh Suparna strat and everything went well after a few wipes of us getting used to eachother.

It's possible.

[swordrain]

Same problem I'm having.

Been there 7 times in the last two days. I'm always the OT, the problem isn't that new people can't learn it (and every group has multiple new people in it) the problem is that after the second wipe, someone insults the tanks and leaves. Then we wait 20 minutes for a replacement and have nothing. Then everyone else ends up leaving.

The problem is people who are so impatient they can't wipe more than three times without crying that its too hard. They don't even stick around long enough for the echo to make much of a difference.

[Synestr]

I see your point here. I think what happens is people tend to forget that these fights are "scripted". Once you get to her "big" move and you split for tornados, it's basically a rinse and repeat till you down her. I find that using that Suparna strat was the easiest I have come across(in tornado phase, focus suparna down then burn Garuda). Once it's time for her to jump, pop dat spiney and get in, and do it all over again.

There are those that are "silly" though and just leave if the party happens to wipe, but, who needs em anyway!

Syn

[DenariusJay]

After about a week and 60+ wipes (maybe not that many, but it sure felt like it) I was able to clear Garuda EX in DF. The stars aligned and I lucked out and got a very patient group, we wipe'd many times but everyone was patient and didn't do any fingerpointing - and lo and behold we completed it. I think patience is the key, like someone posted earlier, a group wipes 3 or 4 times and suddenly the finger pointing starts happening, which leads to bad morale and inevitably more failures.

Right now I'm having awful luck in Titan EX DF. I haven't even gotten to the heart phase and I been running it for about a week now, but groups definitely lose patience with Titan, so many times 3 or 4 wipes tanks usually the first to rage-quit. I pretty much lost all hope of ever clearing Titan EX tbh, it's just to .. well.. extreme. lol. I can't get far enough into the fight to even really learn it, I just wipe constantly in the same spot (where he drops the stone bombs) It's disappointing to feel like some of the content is "gated" behind these fights, but thats just the way it is.

[Kiokin]

Triangle (JP Method):
- MT only takes single wicked wheels, a breeze to tank.
- OT tanks Surpana (who does basically nothing damaging when far away from boss).
- Tanks can relax and be more focused on spiny plume than on not dying.
- DPS tank Chirada (her auto attacks do less than dungeon trash mobs and Downburst damage is negligible split between party).

Came into this thread to say this. The Mr. Happy video is the incorrect and more difficult way to do the fight. There was a dev interview awhile ago where a dev "accidentally" let slip the proper way to do it, which is, in fact, the triangle method.

[Soleless]

Standard Method:
- MT eating double wicked wheels until Surpana dies or is pulled away (which require cooldowns to not be one shotted on a less geared tank).
- Melees frequently getting one shotted by said wicked wheels.
- OT taking full damage from Downburst (5-6k unmitigated).

Triangle (JP Method):
- MT only takes single wicked wheels, a breeze to tank.
- OT tanks Surpana (who does basically nothing damaging when far away from boss).
- Tanks can relax and be more focused on spiny plume than on not dying.
- DPS tank Chirada (her auto attacks do less than dungeon trash mobs and Downburst damage is negligible split between party).

People using the 1st method is the reason I no longer do Garuda pugs ever. It's especially mind-boggling when people want to use that method and we have 2+ melee in the group - It's almost like they want us to wipe.


If you're a melee, learn and then insist upon triangle method, rejoice in how much easier Garuda Ex just got.