29 Attempts of Garuda Ex - Raise ilvl Req or Fix

[Alkimi]

All the ex primals are beatable at the minimum ilvl. The problem is usually terrible dps, the majority of people can't play their jobs to anywhere near their potential.

As for Garuda Ex, if newer parties stopped using the retarded tanking method that seems to have been the norm since the fight came out and used the triangle method instead, it's a lot safer.

Standard Method:
- MT eating double wicked wheels until Surpana dies or is pulled away (which require cooldowns to not be one shotted on a less geared tank).
- Melees frequently getting one shotted by said wicked wheels.
- OT taking full damage from Downburst (5-6k unmitigated).

Triangle (JP Method):
- MT only takes single wicked wheels, a breeze to tank.
- OT tanks Surpana (who does basically nothing damaging when far away from boss).
- Tanks can relax and be more focused on spiny plume than on not dying.
- DPS tank Chirada (her auto attacks do less than dungeon trash mobs and Downburst damage is negligible split between party).

[Fishille]

Triangle (JP Method):
- MT only takes single wicked wheels, a breeze to tank.
- OT tanks Surpana (who does basically nothing damaging when far away from boss).
- Tanks can relax and be more focused on spiny plume than on not dying.
- DPS tank Chirada (her auto attacks do less than dungeon trash mobs and Downburst damage is negligible split between party).

Holy cow. I feel totally schooled that\\'s an awesome idea for the fight a good use of a DRG with the right skills to hold enimity. Curious since I haven\\'t seen this as I tend to only get fight info from FC mates( who have been doing it the wrong way) I\\'m guess the MT and OT just spiny as needed?

[repoe]

Triangle (JP Method):
- MT only takes single wicked wheels, a breeze to tank.
- OT tanks Surpana (who does basically nothing damaging when far away from boss).
- Tanks can relax and be more focused on spiny plume than on not dying.
- DPS tank Chirada (her auto attacks do less than dungeon trash mobs and Downburst damage is negligible split between party).

My first clear ever was via DF as monk and that's how the tank did it, my following clears that had new tanks I suggested this route and it works fine . Ive had no prob clearing this on DF. But you do get those groups who think their is only one way to do things. When I leveled war it inevertably became my primary with endgame. I remember my first time tanking I pulled suprana as that's how i learned the fight. Group went into a rage asking if this was my first clear as I tanked sup with dual haken lol... We wiped while they had their tantrums which inevitably made me a troll and got Das Boot lol

[Sessurea]

I did this at ilvl 7x I think, it was a pretty easy and straight forward fight. The whole community was interested in garuda at that time. People farmed garuda for rings. Now, unless u want the lolcrap mount, u only do this for fun or so, and will very rarely get experienced players take part in this fight with people who haven't cleared. I'm kinda having a similar issue with Titan. I quit for while, and now that I've come back, nobody is interested in this fight. Exp players barely meet up to do this fight ( unless sell ) and they are pretty hard to convince when it comes to helping out at it. Which is ofc understandable, they don't need to wipe for hours so newbies can learn, unless they want titans lolcrap mount.

[ish007xx]

lol wondering what u doing for Titan

[Auloriel]

I like how some of the content is designed as a road block. Keeps some people out of where they shouldn't be.

Except it's not. As far as I know (I have not unlocked Ramu) the Ex Primals are not a requirement for any significant content at endgame. And if it's only Ramuh that requires it, that is one Primal fight which in turn blocks nothing.

An effective road block would be a story dungeon like Castrum not too far into the level 50 main scenarios that the Primal Ex fights, all Coils, and HM dungeons were reliant on, that was actually challenging, and required skill to complete. Hell, make a solo instance so folks couldn't rely on carries or higher geared players to help out.

The problem with the EX fights is that there is no real test to get into them. I have seen, in my now 40 LEvi Ex fights, the same person get swept off the side 3, 4, 7 times. People die from easy to spot aoes, or ignore the adds the they are instructed to focus on. People who should not be there in an EX fight because they are consistently incompetent, and drag down the competent players to a level that makes beating the fight impossible. Players who probably got carried through the HM fight and are looking for a carry in an EX fight.

I won't lie, I was an incompetent tank when I first hit 50. I would consistently lose aggro on one to two mobs in fights with 5+. I was doing some end game gear (thanks to the ridiculously easy myth accrual) as a brand new 50 tank with i90 gear. But I learned, I read guides, I watched vids of hm and ex fights, and I picked up the ball and ran. There's too many players at end game who aren't willing to learn, or do so at the expense of other players time without the decency or respect to even point out that they don't know or only kinda know what they are doing.
I'm not a dick, I offer help to new players or folks new in a class I am proficient in, even at the end game level. I direct people to useful guides I've read or MrHappy on youtube for primal fights. But if you wipe die 3 times in a row from the same thing, after being told multiple times what to avoid, I will attempt to get you booted unless it was a training run or we are going for your clear.

[Sessurea]

I beat titan ex tonight. Months, no kidding. Don't give up. The problem is that this content is dead in terms of people actively practising and being motivated enough to get a kill. All u see are mount farm groups held by " if I see Myth message I kick" ppl, theres no way for non-kill exped people to get into these parties, you need to meet 7 other non exped people who also want to complete these old extremes......simply for personal satisfaction really. Was kinda shocked to see our Lavender beds 4 Linkshell recruiting for titan practice, felt so much nicer than PF too. Titan drops trash and only locks u out of Ifrit, which also drops trash. It's a long hard road to do it w/o getting carried, but it feels good when u get it.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I usually try to fill at least half the group with FC friends for EX Primals. I go in as tank myself so I know at least one of the two tanks is going to know the ropes. Lately I've been getting a lot of first timers through DF but I've found many of them to be very much competent and attentive to instruction. The painful thing is when a good group times out and you need to get a new crop of randoms.

cleared T5 with a new tank myself just yesterday actually. It is surprising how willingness to learn really goes a long way. not everyone that uses the DF is a total a**hat after all ^^

[Lord_Zlatan]

oh and OP: Titan is harder than garuda. Ifrit is waaaaaaay easier and can almost certainly be cleared in the DF

[Lord_Zlatan]

snip (good stuff)

a lot of people are AFRAID to be "the new guy". even if they are ready and willing to learn, a lot of people don't want to deal with confrontation.