Hey Yoshi, you said personal housing "will be far more affordable."

[Chasely]

Ugh, that's horrible. I really hope you and the rest of your FC filed a report on your FC leader.

Most of them had quit or gone on breaks to play other games. The the only people left were his RL friends. They said that's just the kind of guy he is. They'd learned to deal with it.

Anyway, I'd really been looking forward to personal housing. It looks like I'll have to suck it up and work overtime to buy one. ^^

[Tsukotaku]

100 other crafters jump on the bandwagon and drive the prices to almost nothing

This comment here.

[Wyrmnus]

Now, I'm sitting on 197,826 gil and I can't make anything because the market on my server is garbage. Every time I find a halfway decent way to make money, 100 other crafters jump on the bandwagon and drive the prices to almost nothing. It's not that I haven't worked hard. It's that I trusted the wrong people.

And this is the reason why I don't even bother to jump on my 50 BTN. There isn't a community friendly form of income... at all. Its all 'EVERYONE FOR THEMSELVES! EVERYONE IS AN ENEMY!' here.

[Taliph]

Funny how the mods are deleting threads that truthfully call this "lazy development"

[Nalien]

Now, I'm sitting on 197,826 gil and I can't make anything because the market on my server is garbage.

So don't make money off the markets...

Duty Roulette, just going off the Adventure in Need bonus, because I forget the regular Gil it gives;
Expert - 4,500 Gil. Alexandrite Map reward after that if you're that far in Relic quest, giving an extra 1,600 Gil (more but I'm rounding off memory).
High Level - 4,500 Gil.
Low Level - 4,500 Gil.
Trials - 2,700 Gil.
Main Scenario - 4,500 Gil.
Guildhest - 1125 Gil.

Beast Tribe Dailies;
Around 700 Gil per quests, 6 quests, 4,200 Gil reward.

Daily Hunt Mark Bills;
3,000 Gil in Hunting Log style kills.
4,000 Gil in FATE camping.

Daily Treasure Maps;
1,600 Gil ~ 5,000 Gil per map. Chance for a Unhidden Map, which is 10,000 Gil ~ 30,000 Gil - or you can sell it on the markets for a ridiculous amount.

Retainer Ventures;
OK, I can't be asked to work this one out - if you send them off on Explorations they bring back Allagan pieces, brings in a couple thousand Gil per Retainer, I'm sure.

That's well over 30,000 Gil a day, with the regular reward from Duty Roulette missing - it wouldn't even take you a week to double your Gil. I'm not saying do all of these things (unless you want to), I'm just pointing out that this game throws Gil at you if you know where to look. Heck, you can repeat the Duty Roulette ad nauseam to get the bonus all day long if you have the Jobs leveled. Guildhest is literally a couple minutes work for 1,000 Gil unless you get unlucky.

[Enkrateia]

Greetings, all!

We certainly understand that housing is a volatile topic, and there are passionate opinions on all sides of the issue that people would like to address. Because of that, we are working not to close down this thread, so that people can continue this discussion.

However, as this thread continues, some of the comments and responses are becoming inflammatory, insulting, trolling, and uncivil. We are taking action against those posts that are reported. Should these types of posts continue to increase as the thread goes on, we may need to lock or remove the thread, depending on if the thread is salvageable at that time. We certainly do not want to do this; however, we cannot allow the thread to become negative and off topic.

Please remain civil in your discussions, even if you disagree.

LGM Enkrateia

[Shougun]

That's well over 30,000 Gil a day, with the regular reward from Duty Roulette missing - it wouldn't even take you a week to double your Gil. I'm not saying do all of these things (unless you want to), I'm just pointing out that this game throws Gil at you if you know where to look.

So thirty thousand a day, not counting teleporting and repair fees and any other desires it will take someone 133 days making 30,000 a day to earn themselves a small house - if SE's system even has any houses left. xD

So long as people find making materia boring/too many steps and RNG, I'd rather make money off the wards lol.

[Chasely]

So don't make money off the markets...

Duty Roulette, just going off the Adventure in Need bonus, because I forget the regular Gil it gives;
Expert - 4,500 Gil. Alexandrite Map reward after that if you're that far in Relic quest, giving an extra 1,600 Gil (more but I'm rounding off memory).
High Level - 4,500 Gil.
Low Level - 4,500 Gil.
Trials - 2,700 Gil.
Main Scenario - 4,500 Gil.
Guildhest - 1125 Gil.

Beast Tribe Dailies;
Around 700 Gil per quests, 6 quests, 4,200 Gil reward.

Daily Hunt Mark Bills;
3,000 Gil in Hunting Log style kills.
4,000 Gil in FATE camping.

Daily Treasure Maps;
1,600 Gil ~ 5,000 Gil per map. Chance for a Unhidden Map, which is 10,000 Gil ~ 30,000 Gil - or you can sell it on the markets for a ridiculous amount.

Retainer Ventures;
OK, I can't be asked to work this one out - if you send them off on Explorations they bring back Allagan pieces, brings in a couple thousand Gil per Retainer, I'm sure.

That's well over 30,000 Gil a day, with the regular reward from Duty Roulette missing - it wouldn't even take you a week to double your Gil. I'm not saying do all of these things (unless you want to), I'm just pointing out that this game throws Gil at you if you know where to look. Heck, you can repeat the Duty Roulette ad nauseam to get the bonus all day long if you have the Jobs leveled. Guildhest is literally a couple minutes work for 1,000 Gil unless you get unlucky.

Thanks! I'll give this a try!

[Nalien]

So thirty thousand a day, not counting teleporting and repair fees and any other desires it will take someone 133 days making 30,000 a day to earn themselves a small house - if SE's system even has any houses left. xD

To be fair, teleport and repair fees (for someone who has crafts leveled, at least) are so negligible that I'd say the occasional FATE and Gil dropped by enemies in dungeons pays for it.

Yeah it takes a lot going from scratch, but I've been doing this on and off since such content was released, and I'm sitting in the tens of millions. Some of it from selling on the market, but the majority from things like Duty Roulette and Maps.

I agree the prices are too high, and extremely unfriendly to new players, but that's why I think a taxation system would have been better. SE has these prices for two reasons; to lower demand through high prices, and to remove Gil from the system (hence Legacy prices). Once I buy a house though, I'm back to printing Gil with the Duty Roulette. With a tax, they could reduce the initial price significantly and spread the overall cost over the course of the games life, effectively making it a game-long Gil sink. It would be something everyone could reasonably afford, but something they'd have to continually work to keep (which I think is personally better than just stepping on the plot once every 35 days). Wont happen because the demand issue is so ridiculous though...

Thanks! I'll give this a try!

No problem. If you've got Leatherworking and Armorer leveled, they have some pretty good Levequests to abuse as well; you just need to farm your own Shards, Iron Ore, and Black Alumen and do the repeatable Levequests at the Saints Find; Spelling Me Softly and Dealing with the Tough Stuff, when they reward Cobalt Ore and Raptor Leather. You get such an excess of those materials doing this it is ridiculous. I tend to craft a set of Patrician's gear and go to town Spiritbinding it by just Auto-synthing Cobalt Ingots and Raptor Leather for the Levequests. It's not a lot of Gil (I think 500 Gil per turn in (3 turn ins per Levequest), double for any HQs), but it's also very little effort on your part to Auto-synth; the Materia from Spiritbinding usually makes a fair bit if you're not saving for your own melds.

[Syrehn]

Has there been any other official SE response to backlash other than the Sticky in the "Housing" forum?

P.S: Nalien I quoted you in my sig, hope you don't mind.