What happened to 800k personal housing?

[OldGeezer]

All this outrage to SE is hypocritical. SE has been giving us money like water for over the last year. Money for monsters in dungeons, money for dailies, money for challenges, money for retainer missions. Remember when dark matter "mattered" for repairs? Remember when people used airships instead of teleporting everywhere. Remember the teleporting craziness of hunts before B's got nerfed? Overpriced items on the marketboards? Doesn't matter, you have plenty of money. Where was the outrage when we're given money for everything we practically do? Now, there's too much in the world. You complained for it, you got it, and this is the result. Want someone to yell at? Take a look in the mirror.

[Resolute]

All this outrage to SE is hypocritical. SE has been giving us money like water for over the last year. Money for monsters in dungeons, money for dailies, money for challenges, money for retainer missions. Remember when dark matter "mattered" for repairs? Remember when people used airships instead of teleporting everywhere. Remember the teleporting craziness of hunts before B's got nerfed? Overpriced items on the marketboards? Doesn't matter, you have plenty of money. Where was the outrage when we're given money for everything we practically do? Now, there's too much in the world. You complained for it, you got it, and this is the result. Want someone to yell at? Take a look in the mirror.

Well, I have about 800k. I do dailies, roulettes, etc., but I don't do a lot of crafting or selling items. I don't think your average player is sitting on enough money to buy one of these houses for themselves. Even if the average player did have that kind of money, the amount isn't the only problem. In fact, I would argue it isn't even the main problem. The main problem is that personal housing is just FC housing opened up for individuals. SE didn't even implement a new system for personal housing.

They should have just made apartments in the cities that were essentially customizable inn rooms. It might not be as cool as having your house visible, but at least everyone could have a customizable living space, instead of only a select few being able to have personal housing. My small FC has a small house, and I am perfectly happy with that + my personal room, especially since we are small and I can use the garden for myself a lot. But for those that were really looking forward to personal housing, what SE decided to do really really REALLY sucks.

[Erudain]

This thread is the perfect example as to how it is the hype of the players that causes the kind of backlash we face in this minor patch and not the devs. The question was asked in an interview if 850k gil would be enough for personal housing. Yoshi's response was "No. It will cost more than 850k."

In the same quote he said personal housing was going to be cheaper than FC housing, which was an outright lie.
I don't care how much housing costs, 4m, 5m, 11m, 140m...whatever....what irks me is the lie.

[Brises]

All this outrage to SE is hypocritical. SE has been giving us money like water for over the last year. Money for monsters in dungeons, money for dailies, money for challenges, money for retainer missions. Remember when dark matter "mattered" for repairs? Remember when people used airships instead of teleporting everywhere. Remember the teleporting craziness of hunts before B's got nerfed? Overpriced items on the marketboards? Doesn't matter, you have plenty of money. Where was the outrage when we're given money for everything we practically do? Now, there's too much in the world. You complained for it, you got it, and this is the result. Want someone to yell at? Take a look in the mirror.

I think you are missing the point here. SE knows how much gil is circulating in the worlds. That is why they have priced housing the way they have. But to say FC and personal housing should be the same price is nonsense. Many FCs have hundreds of members. For an individual to have 1 mil gil is not a big accomplishment. So if you get contributions from many FC members, the houses are quite affordable. But people are interested in personal housing as perhaps a couple, or a small group like a family, or even an individual alone. To suggest that these people should be able to afford the same price as a group of hundreds, is completely absurd.

[Kaeda_Valentyne]

I don't like how the total gil in circulation effects the housing prices.

I mean really the vast majority of that gil is in the Hands of the RMTs and they are not going to be spending it on the houses, all the pricing did was make it more tempting to buy gil from the RMTs.

[Cedane]

Why do we need land for personal housing, anyway?

Why can't it be that for personal housing, it functions much like a room? Except its outside and a private instance with your private land and housing that you can invite people to and get to chill in? Why do we need land like this?

They screwed up. FC land and Personal Land should have been completely separate instances. This was not fair to anyone at all. This could have been implemented a lot better. I don't want to hear promises of expansion -- I think they need to go back and implement separate instances for personal housing, and FC housing.

This is not acceptable. :/

[ZodiacSoldier]

A while back it was stated that they wanted to make personal housing cheaper than Free Company housing. I believe Yoshi-P said that personal housing was supposed to be 850k but they were looking into lowering the cost. Now personal housing costs about as much as a Free Company house; what gives?

From what I remember, they said it was going to be OVER 850k, but cheaper than the FC houses. But today, on the Japanese Forums, Yoshi-P said after looking at the server information, people had alot more money then they had originally anticipated, so they decided to make the prices the same as FC housing. But honestly with the small amount of houses available, they should have done some more safe guards. First is that Individual players can only get small houses and save the Medium / Large houses for FC only.

They should also make it so that each account can only get 1 house per server. There are a few instances where I heard 1 person bought like 4 or 5 houses across their alt, which is really stupid.

[DoubleT]

Remember when...

1. - revamped combat system was one fo the first things they announced they were going to do in 1.0 once yoshi took over

2. 1.0 shutdown Oct. 31 2012, you expected them to get through alpha/beta testing an release in 2 months? alpha/beta was already planned out on the roadmap they released right befor that. 2.0 was never scheduled for jan. 2013.

3. they told us that CT wasnt going to be in release at the same time they told us it was suppossed to be in release, so they didnt really lie about anything about that they just admitted they had to change a development schedule.

4. they never gave a date for fc primal summoning they only said it was a feature they wanted to put in at some point.

5. Gold Saucer wasnt even confirmed until like 2.2 so how was it scheduled for 2.3-2.4?

[Giantbane]

In the same quote he said personal housing was going to be cheaper than FC housing, which was an outright lie.
I don't care how much housing costs, 4m, 5m, 11m, 140m...whatever....what irks me is the lie.

They also said it was going to be instanced and have fewer features than FC houses. Now you can have anyone visit and check out your personal house and you get all (or most?) of the features of an FC house. But you have to pay more for it. And you may have to wait till they fix their server code/hardware/whatever so that it can support enough wards for everyone (or everyone that wants one) to get a house.

Also, at the time this was said, FC houses were more expensive. So in a way, the personal houses now are less expensive than FC houses were then.

[Shougun]

I don't like how the total gil in circulation effects the housing prices.

I mean really the vast majority of that gil is in the Hands of the RMTs and they are not going to be spending it on the houses, all the pricing did was make it more tempting to buy gil from the RMTs.

I sincerely hope they are not using an average amount of gil available, that'd be terrible way to evaluate player's demands in terms of making them happy.

Should look at the median too at least. Though I'm not suggesting they did only the average, I've no idea if they did or not.

(800k +800k +5mil + 800 mil)/4= nearly useless number. What I hope they did was check median of certain types of players and then capable gil generators available to those player groups (that are not considered the most robotic actions ever) and decide how long they want players to work and set that price, and then inform players in /advance/ of their expectation/desire of players "like we would like players to work about three weeks". Finally make more houses than demand, or just instance the darn things - so long as the demand is higher than the quantity the first desire is going to be a bit useless. "Hey the house will cost half in 30 days, we wanted you to wait about that long" is not going to matter if the demand is too high - you still could be waiting months or just be stuck to grind up to that price and buy -nothing- else.

Logically people are upset because the demand vs price is too much (after all the old FC houses sold... :P) - the ones still available there is no demand for, and that SE has set zero expectations previous to help guide player's demand (lack of guidance and a bit of misinformation). If they were instanced it would have worked perfectly for demand and price - as you could set a low entry price (say similar to a room, could be just a room at the start) and then let players grow the area over time as they are capable.