Hm, i115 Nexus upgrade has me worried for Third Coil.

[corticarte]

cant wait for the ilvl 115 24man raids and ilvl 120 tomb weapons

[VicViperion]

Zenith Weapons weren't meant to be on par with Allagan Weapons, which is why it was adjusted.

And the development team agrees completely agrees.

Then why did the dev team originally make Relics the equal to the raid gear? Why is raid armor and purchased armor the same tier but weapons not?

To gain a relic now, a proper relic, requires the original relic quest, plus the interminable Atma grind, then the grind of the books atop that, and finally, the incrediably expensive, and long, Alexandrite grind and materia fusion process. All of which takes far more work and dedication than watching a video on youtube and monkey-see monkey-doing your way through Dance Dance Dungeon.

It's far more difficult than just doing Coil. It should be at the very least equal, if not exceeding, because it requires more dedication.

[Felis]

Prepare a new sphere scroll of the correct type to receive the power of your chosen relic weapon, then use materia and alexandrite to redo the infusion process.

I really hope we don't need a lot of materias again.

[ispano]

Then why did the dev team originally make Relics the equal to the raid gear? Why is raid armor and purchased armor the same tier but weapons not?

To gain a relic now, a proper relic, requires the original relic quest, plus the interminable Atma grind, then the grind of the books atop that, and finally, the incrediably expensive, and long, Alexandrite grind and materia fusion process. All of which takes far more work and dedication than watching a video on youtube and monkey-see monkey-doing your way through Dance Dance Dungeon.

It's far more difficult than just doing Coil. It should be at the very least equal, if not exceeding, because it requires more dedication.

Please, please, please... TELL me how it's more difficult? You grind. No, really, that's ALL you do for a relic. Grind. That's not difficulty. You don't have to learn anything or learn to work with a group or any of that at all, to get a relic.

So, again, please tell me how mindless grinding, yes it's pretty much mindless, is harder than coil?

[Raxion]

cant wait for the ilvl 115 24man raids and ilvl 120 tomb weapons

People are still calling them "Tombstones"....

[Numenor1379]

At this point in the Relic Weapon quest line, they should be equal to what's available in the hardest content. The amount of work that goes into them is insane, and rewarding that with an inferior weapon at this point is just dumb.

[Numenor1379]

Please, please, please... TELL me how it's more difficult? You grind. No, really, that's ALL you do for a relic. Grind. That's not difficulty. You don't have to learn anything or learn to work with a group or any of that at all, to get a relic.

So, again, please tell me how mindless grinding, yes it's pretty much mindless, is harder than coil?

How is paying for your win and getting the drop harder than grinding out the Relic Quest?

[VicViperion]

Please, please, please... TELL me how it's more difficult? You grind. No, really, that's ALL you do for a relic. Grind. That's not difficulty. You don't have to learn anything or learn to work with a group or any of that at all, to get a relic.

So, again, please tell me how mindless grinding, yes it's pretty much mindless, is harder than coil?

Hours upon hours of work...Versus a 15min run, once a week, for the hope RNG lets you get the shiny. In something you can teach people how to do just by linking them a youtube video. And you're honestly saying Coil is the more difficult option? I'm sorry, the time and gil invested in a Relic is far greater than what it takes to do Coil.

[ispano]

At this point in the Relic Weapon quest line, they should be equal to what's available in the hardest content. The amount of work that goes into them is insane, and rewarding that with an inferior weapon at this point is just dumb.

What work? Grinding mobs or easy dungeons for materia? Grinding fates over and over for ATMA? None of the relic quest line is a challenge outside of the time investment. And I'm sorry, taking a long time is not comparable to something that takes a fair amount of effort or more.

How is paying for your win and getting the drop harder than grinding out the Relic Quest?

Yes, because everyone who does T9, pays for it. Please, try again.

Hours upon hours of work...Versus a 15min run, once a week, for the hope RNG lets you get the shiny. In something you can teach people how to do just by linking them a youtube video. And you're honestly saying Coil is the more difficult option? I'm sorry, the time and gil invested in a Relic is far greater than what it takes to do Coil.

Stop ignoring the work that went into learning the turns and getting to T9 in the first place. It's the same pit everyone falls into.

[cryptic_angel]

who cares? just wait 3 months after 2.4 and you can get max ilvl for derp style grinds.

What work? Grinding mobs or easy dungeons for materia? Grinding fates over and over for ATMA? None of the relic quest line is a challenge outside of the time investment. And I'm sorry, taking a long time is not comparable to something that takes a fair amount of effort or more.



Yes, because everyone who does T9, pays for it. Please, try again.



Stop ignoring the work that went into learning the turns and getting to T9 in the first place. It's the same pit everyone falls into.

It's pointless to argue with people on this forum. Only a small fraction of them actually raid and they don't get it. You can see from the "15 min" run statements are just proof positive that most players here don't get what progression is.