Abolish Gc vs GC vs GC in frontlines.

[Rose-Wild]

They need to get rid of this it hurts the game a lot, it's making it so boring that many people just don't bother with the game and quit. And lol at Divine thinking more people enjoy this horrible system. How can you enjoy wating 3 hours without a single fight...? Your posts dont even get one like that's how much people that pvp like it.

[TrueOgre]

I'm pretty new to FFXIV and enjoying so far. Im not into pvp/FL/gc3 yet, but i'm very eager to try.

So, the situation is as follows?

1) SE created Gc v Gc v Gc

2) Community enjoyed

3) Some weeks later, players begin to mass-change to that winning GC

4) Q time got longer 'cause everyone was on winning GC

Sooo... FFXIV community broke Gc v Gc v Gc system and now SE need to fix/remove it.
I'm not trying to flame, or troll, but... Shame on ffxiv community :/ This kind of behavior is just.. Sad!

Well, I am not there yet (not even close) but I read all pages of this thread to make my above conclusions.
GC v Gc v Gc seems like a nice pvp system.

[Sessurea]

I'm pretty new to FFXIV and enjoying so far. Im not into pvp/FL/gc3 yet, but i'm very eager to try.

So, the situation is as follows?

1) SE created Gc v Gc v Gc

2) Community enjoyed

3) Some weeks later, players begin to mass-change to that winning GC

4) Q time got longer 'cause everyone was on winning GC

Sooo... FFXIV community broke Gc v Gc v Gc system and now SE need to fix/remove it.
I'm not trying to flame, or troll, but... Shame on ffxiv community :/ This kind of behavior is just.. Sad!

Well, I am not there yet (not even close) but I read all pages of this thread to make my above conclusions.
GC v Gc v Gc seems like a nice pvp system.

Ah, so you will join the losing team ? Or just happen to LOOOVE the lore on the winning team and join that one? xD

People are human, this is just badly designed content, simple as that.

Randomized teams is the obvious cure to this, and SE probably haven't done it yet since it would mean admitting their mistake.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Exactly. What the design does is ENCOURAGE people to jump ship to the GC that wins the most. This behaviour would not even exist in Frontlines if it just grouped up random groups with all players queueing (much like it randomly groups you in Crystal/Syrcus Tower).

[Zyphione]

Sooo... FFXIV community broke Gc v Gc v Gc system and now SE need to fix/remove it.
I'm not trying to flame, or troll, but... Shame on ffxiv community :/ This kind of behavior is just.. Sad!

You must be fair to say that very many communities in other games are this way instead of labeling it as the ffxiv community who should be ashamed as there are also those who participate in PvP regardless of their winning or losing. Some servers have more severe people doing this than others but out of all the suggestions given, removing restrictions seems to be the most logical?

Most logical does not always mean the optimal solution.

Ah, so you will join the losing team ? Or just happen to LOOOVE the lore on the winning team and join that one? xD

People are human, this is just badly designed content, simple as that.

Randomized teams is the obvious cure to this, and SE probably haven't done it yet since it would mean admitting their mistake.

I do not think it's fair for you to question if he will join the losing team..
The content was designed very well but some servers of people just do not want to enjoy the fun of PvP and only care about winning or losing? It is all I have been hearing in these threads in the NA section. Some people can not enjoy the game for the way the game is.

Many have said the MNKs removing aetherflow has destroyed SCH and blown it out of proportion? But today SCHs are still very strong healers despite all the people who condemn the change before? When looking through all feedback threads then actually playing the game, it becomes hard to believe anyone has a genuine cure for the game state because all cures are personal wants instead of being beneficial on a wider scale without affecting other aspects of the game?

I think it's unfair to blame the developers saying it's their mistake when the JP community is PvPing daily? Some NA community people schedule WD pvp and other things and are Rank 40 but doing their best to enjoy it, how can it be a mistake?
All that matters is how you want to adapt to the situation for something you love to do in-game, difficult as it might be.

[Sessurea]

How is it unfair to question if he will join the losing team if he said the following:

"Sooo... FFXIV community broke Gc v Gc v Gc system and now SE need to fix/remove it. I'm not trying to flame, or troll, but... Shame on ffxiv community :/ This kind of behavior is just.. Sad!"

And the rest of your post seems like a "screw the minority" statement? not quite sure if you really meant to say that or not. I couldn't care less if JP pvp in their sleep 24/7, the queues are broken on smaller servers. See back a few pages @ screenshot showing 120 minute queue during the day in Europe and explain to me how THAT is fair?

And naturally, it's fair to say there is a developer error when a system is compatible with large server pools, and not with smaller ones. calling it a lack of foresight might be an overstatement, but the fact that it is not addressed yet is disappointing.

I find it unfair how people with great queues times are against this xD As previously suggested, they could just make a "join random gc" checkbox, and the entire issue would be solved.

[Divinemight]

Ah, so you will join the losing team ? Or just happen to LOOOVE the lore on the winning team and join that one? xD

People are human, this is just badly designed content, simple as that.

Randomized teams is the obvious cure to this, and SE probably haven't done it yet since it would mean admitting their mistake.

I am Twin Adder, I am perfectly fine to play as one. Not everyone want to jump the winning wagon, that is boring. You always feel a strong sense of achivment whenever you see your self rank within top 10 on your server as Twin Adder.

[TrueOgre]

Ah, so you will join the losing team ? Or just happen to LOOOVE the lore on the winning team and join that one? xD

People are human, this is just badly designed content, simple as that.

Not exactly. I will join GC where my guildmates or friends are, no matter if this Gc have big wins or no.
Players should stick with GC for other reasons than just winning gc v gc v gc.

You must be fair to say that very many communities in other games are this way instead of labeling it as the ffxiv community who should be ashamed as there are also those who participate in PvP regardless of their winning or losing..

Yeah, my bad, sorry. You are 100% correct. I should not have labeled it to "ffxiv community", since it is not a exclusive problem of ffxiv players. Plus, I'm sure not everyone think like that.
Bad choice of words on my part. Sorry.

[Zyphione]

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It is unfair as you are assuming immediately of him joining based on winning and losing when I am sure you do not know him? Why would you pose such a black and white question? Is that not unfair to him that he has been implied to be one who has joined nothing but the winning team? He has replied saying he will play with friends regardless now, which is something you did not bother to consider.
That is why it is unfair to pose such a question.

You are purposely misconstruing my statements. I asked a question on how you would answer to knowing JP community still PvPing and the NA community not PvPing.
My aim of such a question was not to berate or to imply anything of comparison but instead wanted what you thought was the reason, as that forms the foundation of your basic thought. You instead chose to not answer the entire thing and remark rudely that I do not care about the minority? Then you ask me an abrasive question for explanation when you have refused to indulge me for my clearer understanding?

I visit the NA section because, like Divinemight, giving opinions and reaching clear reasoning for suggestions (Divine sometimes posts JP opinions) will make developers notice. I am capable of going to JP sites to do it myself but I choose to comment here as well because I want to know how the NA side feels to changes or current state of the game, this is just my habit of wanting to know more than just the JP side of the story.

Is this how you try to encourage a suggestion to be taken by the developers? By saying you do not care about other players of the game and only care about what I perceive to be your part only which suffers from it? To offer solutions you need to know why the NA section are not playing and how it will affect other aspects of the game, was it not mentioned that developers make decisions based on all accounts instead of just 1 thing?

For example if you give 100 allied seals for a 1st place win, why even do hunts or make it so a server or large amount need to do it any more? The point of hunts being new and worth doing was the new currency which gave you new options for upgrades and new minions or gear looks. It was an exclusive hunt-only aspect of the game.
This is just an example to outline thought, please do not think much of it.

Why do you comment 'people with great queue times are against this'? It is very rude to say such a thing. Many have commented in game, in the forums and given reasons on why removing Faction PvP is good for smaller servers. If I am not mistaken, you have said this problem is common in the NA and EU parts of the game? Why then, would you say such a thing in the NA section if everyone was having the same queue time problem as you have outlined?
It would seem to some that you deliberately are insulting those who are against it, if there are any.

Frontlines is less than half a year old and PvP is still on its baby legs, saying this is the developers fault is not fair to them as they have no idea how statistics are looking until leaving something in a state for a period of time. If you are aware of this, why do you insult their foresight? Is this not fair to a company who is trying to understand their playerbase? I am sure Square Enix is not telling themselves "we have taken players from other mmos! lets make pvp for them so they never go back!".

They have yet to address anything for their own reasons if you read and understand the Live letters and videos, they have many plans and many things to take care of. When you say "not addressed yet is disappointing", you are implying releasing Frontlines for 1 month then adding a patch for frontlines every week because players do not want to play it for personal reasons after a period of 3 weeks or slightly more?
Then this is a playerbase problem and not a developers oversight as they have developed it for people, it is the people who choose if they want to play it - people can always argue and discuss how unfair and disadvantaged they are no matter how much developers try to fix something.

Please do not cast shadows over others when you do not understand their standpoint.

[Tonkra]

Just a question is Carteneau PVP searched server wide or just on your server you play on?