[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[Vallhallix]

Definately, my problem isn't how the pets look either (even though they're ugly and poorly designed). My main issue is summoner is not even really a summoner. Its a dot class with 3 limited pets. As of now two of the pets are useless to begin with because everyone uses Garuda in everything. IMO in the future I say get rid of the entire egi system all together and just let us aquire and summon other creatures within Eorzea. Summoner could have a collection of summons to choose from and be a lot more flexible in battle deciding which creature would suit each better. However I bet the excuse for that would be "Its too complex for our players. The class used to be my main, got animus with it but I abandoned it for BLM and decided to get my novus with blm instead. So far i'm loving it, BLM feels like what its supposed to be a magical powerhouse.

[Akiza]

Definately, my problem isn't how the pets look either (even though they're ugly and poorly designed). My main issue is summoner is not even really a summoner. Its a dot class with 3 limited pets. As of now two of the pets are useless to begin with because everyone uses Garuda in everything. IMO in the future I say get rid of the entire egi system all together and just let us aquire and summon other creatures within Eorzea. Summoner could have a collection of summons to choose from and be a lot more flexible in battle deciding which creature would suit each better. However I bet the excuse for that would be "Its too complex for our players. The class used to be my main, got animus with it but I abandoned it for BLM and decided to get my novus with blm instead. So far i'm loving it, BLM feels like what its supposed to be a magical powerhouse.

Summoning creatures is encroaching on the Beasts Master and that won't work. Right now the Summoner is in Red Mage territory which is the real reason for the complaints. Get rid of the Egis because it failed hard on what the developer intended it to be since Summoner's are Garuda Masters now and replace them with toned down High Lander Hyur scaled Primals (size of Summons from Final Fantasy XII). Give the pets 8 offensive abilities with Primal move sets and Elemental theme abilities as well as 2 party wide buffs. Reduce the damage potency of the Dots and give the Summoner 2 additional Pet Buffs and 3 more Pet skills along the lines of Enkindle.

[Pluvia]

K guys lets do it make full size primal that every summoner can have that way when all the smn and everyone else in the game are already complaining about 90k when an S rank spawns or depending on the servers Odin and behemoth we can just bring the servers down every time let alone lets think about the fact that sure the ps3 is holding the game back somewhat yes but most of the people playing this game are running on toasters but you know what screw them LETS JUST GO BACK TO 1.0 and start this shit all over again GRAPHICS OVER EVERYTHING AM I RIGHT. Also if you brought FFXI summoning into this game you'd be bored as hell you know with the lack of sub jobs.

Stop bitching about the sizes since most likely you yourself is playing on a toaster and would be the first one to complain about FPS issues and 90ks let alone HOW MY DPS SUCKS BECAUSE MY PET IS STUPID or I'm bored and hate just sitting there while my pet does everything
making pets do more damage then the character is bad idea sucked in XI for dragoon Hard when it came out let alone how shitty smn was for a long ass time

TLDR SE said they're not going to back off on their stance about dots and the size argument is a stupid one flat out the one thing i can agree on is they need to fix pet balance and make the others not suck that hands down is the smn problem

[Tharian]

You realize you misspelled [poll] in the title of this thread, right?

That said, Summoner needs no reworking. It is fine as it is.

[MercuryD]

Right now the Summoner is in Red Mage territory

Yep, I won T6 because I could cast Blizzard 3, Fire 3, Stone 2, Aero 2, convert, Flare, Benediction and with my awesome sword skills... See the logic here? Red Mage hasn't been touched in the SLIGHTEST. Your logic of this series is 100% based on one single game: XI. A great game though it was RDM in it was as SMN is here: unconventional but good at it.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

I cringe so hard every time someone refers to Red Mage as a buffer/debuffer. That was one game out of like 15?

Red Mage = limited black/white magic and sword skills. That is its iconic role.

Please stop referring to jobs in the one FF game that totally ruined several FF iconic jobs (tank Ninja, Dragoon with pet, Red Mage, etc).That game was an aberration. Thats not what those jobs are in 95% of the FF series.

[Defteros]

I personally don't care so much about the Summoner.
I leveled up the job to 50, because at first I was in a FFX-nostalgia wave, and I ended up actually never using it, switching attributes to MND and only using the scholar, lol.

that said.
I would love if they'll add another pet-related job.
like Beastmaster.

[Tharian]

Right now the Summoner is in Red Mage territory

Only if by "Red Mage territory" you actually mean "Debuffing territory" because that is the only aspect of the Red Mage that Summoner is encroaching on. Traditionally speaking a Red Mage is the class that uses both White and Black Magic simultaneously, though they have access to slightly weaker spells than a standard White Mage or Black Mage would have access to. It really is only in Final Fantasy XI that the Red Mage was relegated to the "Debuffer" role in most parties, and even then the Red Mage fulfilled the role of "Refresh and Phalanx spot" far more frequently than they did the "Debuffer" spot.

[Tuxie]

Even thou I really like smn class now, it should have more focus on the pets.

[Akiza]

Only if by "Red Mage territory" you actually mean "Debuffing territory" because that is the only aspect of the Red Mage that Summoner is encroaching on. Traditionally speaking a Red Mage is the class that uses both White and Black Magic simultaneously, though they have access to slightly weaker spells than a standard White Mage or Black Mage would have access to. It really is only in Final Fantasy XI that the Red Mage was relegated to the "Debuffer" role in most parties, and even then the Red Mage fulfilled the role of "Refresh and Phalanx spot" far more frequently than they did the "Debuffer" spot.

In Final Fantasy MMO's Square is never going to make the Red Mage have access to both White and Black magic since they'll be nerfed in each area so the Red Mage is relegated to the Debuffer role by default. The Summoner should primarily be a Pet role with Debuffer as a secondary role. As for the Beastmaster's future which is a Pet role just like Summoner is suppose to be and for the players that say the Summoner is fine how will you like it if Beastmaster turned out to be a Marauder with the Pet as an afterthought.