What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

[Fyce]

I'm gonna be frank here. If you pull this kind of thing with a huge-damage mob like Marraco or a petrifier like Zanig'oh, you're not gonna get thanked, you're gonna get reported, because resetting on a mob like that screws over whoever got killed/petrified for longer than the mob's average lifetime. I speak from personal experience here, I -found- Maahes once and the SMN with me didn't have a lot of time, so we shouted and then pulled after ~30 seconds. The horde proceeded to reset it TWICE, and as the party's tank I was petrified BOTH times, destroying any chance I might have had to build up enmity and get anything besides "you poked it once" credit.
This has been discussed to death on other threads, and we even had Enkatreia weigh in on it: resetting a mob can be considered harassment and can leave you subject to punishment.

Yup. Seen this happen with Maahes and Alectryon. All the cries of "omg resetting doesn't hurt anyone" make me shake my head because many of these mobs can kill/disable players and leave them getting no credit after it's reset.

Yeah, but that point only stands for two or three exceptions.
Plus, I was talking about a very low number of people; my group plus the number of people around would have made 10 at most.

So, even if a few people would have been caught petrified or dead, the number or players actually getting in the fight were at least ten times more.

The point of my post was to show that, in this situation, canceling an early pull was more beneficial for a lot of people rather that selfishness and "deal with it, I'm pulling when I want".
It was also an opportunity for me to remind people of the nature of this game: a PvE game with very little competition.
Denying people to get some Seals has absolutly no purpose and/or benefits.

[MomomiMomi]

So, even if a few people would have been caught petrified or dead, the number or players actually getting in the fight were at least ten times more.

Even if it was one person who lost credit, and 100 more who got credit due to your reset, people who are not there, no matter the number, are not more entitled to the credit than the person who was already there. You are ruining it for someone who should have gotten credit. The amount of people you ruin it for doesn't matter. It's a bad thing.

[Welsper59]

So, even if a few people would have been caught petrified or dead, the number or players actually getting in the fight were at least ten times more.

I think in your case, it was... maybe okay. Was there a set pull time said in /shout? If not, you were absolutely a d-bag to reset and anyone reporting you would be right to do so. If there was a pull time established, then good on you to reset. That really would be deemed an "early" pull if the time was established to the zone, but someone (accidentally) pulled early. There were established terms beforehand, that while people won't literally show their agreement with, the fact that the target was still neutral at the time is grounds enough to be justified.

What a lot of people, including myself, often associate resets with are the people who show up AFTER another group is fighting an elite, where they come in and do everything possible to steal hate from this first group so they can reset until their LS/FC can get to it. Ridiculously, a lot of people (very stupid ones) consider that to be an "early pull" too. The absolutely flawed "greater good" perspective might see something wrong with the fact the first group didn't notify the zone (specifically anyone in that individual players Hunt LS), but they're not right to be thinking that way because it goes against how the Hunts were intended to be played out as. A small group is 100% justified to not tell anyone else that something is up, just as a Hunt LS can form 100+ people to take out a B rank elite (if that were still worth doing). Given that 100% fact about how Hunts were intended to be (as it was stated repeatedly by Yoshi-P), resetting can practically always be considered legitimate harassment if you do it. People can act like saints all they want and feel good that they falsely believe in the "greater good" perspective that they think they're following, but most of us know exactly what's going on in the context of Hunts. Never use the greater good as your defense.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

So, even if a few people would have been caught petrified or dead, the number or players actually getting in the fight were at least ten times more.

So what you're saying is: "I don't care about those few people who might've gotten screwed over even though they were among the first on the scene, a bunch of people I don't know who had to zone in from afking in Mor Dhona can get seals instead!" Yeah, you can take your "greater good" argument and shove it. Enkatreia shot that one down too. If even one person is harmed by your willful actions in the game they can and will report you and they will be absolutely justified in doing so.

[NyarukoW]

... bunch of bogus hypotheticals...

In reality, the people being frozen/stoned etc. will have a better chance to get full credit because after the reset those debuffs would have had the time to wear off and they can just easily pew-pew some more and get their full credit. And that is what people do and there is no issue.The only person that has problem with that is the solo early pulling troll, who would never get full credit anyways but now has their plan to be a jerk to everyone else foiled and is really unhappy about it and resorts to complaining on the forums and making up stories.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

In reality, the people being frozen/stoned etc. will have a better chance to get full credit because after the reset those debuffs would have had the time to wear off and they can just easily pew-pew some more and get their full credit. And that is what people do and there is no issue.The only person that has problem with that is the solo early pulling troll, who would never get full credit anyways but now has their plan to be a jerk to everyone else foiled and is really unhappy about it and resorts to complaining on the forums and making up stories.

So what happened to me personally is now "bogus hypotheticals"? Maahes was reset twice, both times within ten seconds of me personally receiving the petrify debuff. That's TWENTY entire seconds I was unable to take any action whatsoever and was forced to helplessly watch Maahes' HP bar melt like butter because by the second reset the entire horde of Mor Dhona AFKers had shown up to leech off of MY find that I had shouted a <pos> on to the zone.

That is, how do you say, correctomundo. You would think people would learn that by age 7.

You'd also think people would learn not to accuse people of lying with less than zero proof of such by age 7, but here you are. I guess you're secretly 6?

[Trell]

You'd also think people would learn not to accuse people of lying with less than zero proof of such by age 7, but here you are. I guess you're secretly 6?

lol... I was actually referring to the part of the statement about actions and consequences, and how many people on this thread don't see the correlation between the two. Your retort was amusing though - I'll give you that.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

lol... I was actually referring to the part of the statement about actions and consequences, and how many people on this thread don't see the correlation between the two. Your retort was amusing though - I'll give you that.

... sorry, getting called a troll and liar has gotten me somewhat agitated, I must have misread. I thought you were chiming in to agree with NyarukoW. Sorry about that.

[Trell]

... sorry, getting called a troll and liar has gotten me somewhat agitated, I must have misread. I thought you were chiming in to agree with NyarukoW. Sorry about that.

Consider it forgotten. ^^