Black Mage Novus

[HaroldSaxon]

I think he meant not wasting points on skill speed or str or some other stat that is useless for blm.

You need to chill out a bit and think a little bit more before typing something, just to make sure you dont missunderstood other ppl posts.

Why would anyone bring up skillspeed or strength in a BLM Novus thread? I very much doubt he meant Skillspeed or strength.

[Blitz_Striker]

im already 44 crit and 26 det is it okay that the remaining 5 will be on SS? is it worth it?

[Umero]

im already 44 crit and 26 det is it okay that the remaining 5 will be on SS? is it worth it?

try 30 det and 1 SS. It'll look awesome beyond fanciness!

[AniCelestine]

Best would be 44 SSPD, 31 DET. That being said however, Det IV materia is stupidly expensive and getting 251 Piety all the time (instead of only when grouped with a SCH) is nice.

I am not a blm. I'm smn with BLM leveled up and I run dungeons and ST with it.

That being said, I came here out of interest, cause a fc matr of mine is going for novus on blm soon and was wondering what he should put as stats. Regarding your comment on "not optimized with ss/det/pie" and saying you hit 251 pie (of which I only now heard) always with sch in party. I would like to know if you have put the 30stats to all int and still hitting 251 with sch, or have you put xint and ypie with the 30statpoints. Because if you havr put pie and int, wouldn't it be more beneficial to swap all 30 into int and then "sacriface" some SS or Det from novus to get that piety, cause int > secondary stats dps wise.

Edit: oh I didn't notice until now that this is pretty old thread which was replied to with some kinda useless comment thus was on the first page and caught my eyes

[HaroldSaxon]

I am not a blm. I'm smn with BLM leveled up and I run dungeons and ST with it.

That being said, I came here out of interest, cause a fc matr of mine is going for novus on blm soon and was wondering what he should put as stats. Regarding your comment on "not optimized with ss/det/pie" and saying you hit 251 pie (of which I only now heard) always with sch in party. I would like to know if you have put the 30stats to all int and still hitting 251 with sch, or have you put xint and ypie with the 30statpoints. Because if you havr put pie and int, wouldn't it be more beneficial to swap all 30 into int and then "sacriface" some SS or Det from novus to get that piety, cause int > secondary stats dps wise.

Edit: oh I didn't notice until now that this is pretty old thread which was replied to with some kinda useless comment thus was on the first page and caught my eyes

Piety doesn't matter. T1 is better anyway.

[Numenor1379]

Regarding your comment on "not optimized with ss/det/pie" and saying you hit 251 pie (of which I only now heard) always with sch in party. I would like to know if you have put the 30stats to all int and still hitting 251 with sch, or have you put xint and ypie with the 30statpoints. Because if you havr put pie and int, wouldn't it be more beneficial to swap all 30 into int and then "sacriface" some SS or Det from novus to get that piety, cause int > secondary stats dps wise.

All 30 are in Int,251 comes from native stats and +8 Pie on the Novus. While Harold says it is useless I do not agree as the dps loss using T2 B1 is less than 1dps over T1 B1, you have an extra 3 sec on the DoT with T2 over T1, and there is about an exrta 8% chance at a proc you do not have with using T1.

So add that up, toss in a smoother rotation with the flexibility to do either type easily, and I fail to see the downside as there are far more positives in my book.

EDIT: Also, as Convert gives MP back as a percentage... Having 251 Piety means that after a Convert you have the MP to do F2 - Flare during an AoE rotation that you cannot do with a lower MP pool.

[HaroldSaxon]

All 30 are in Int,251 comes from native stats and +8 Pie on the Novus. While Harold says it is useless I do not agree as the dps loss using T2 B1 is less than 1dps over T1 B1, you have an extra 3 sec on the DoT with T2 over T1, and there is about an exrta 8% chance at a proc you do not have with using T1.

So add that up, toss in a smoother rotation with the flexibility to do either type easily, and I fail to see the downside as there are far more positives in my book.

EDIT: Also, as Convert gives MP back as a percentage... Having 251 Piety means that after a Convert you have the MP to do F2 - Flare during an AoE rotation that you cannot do with a lower MP pool.

The math disagrees with you.

If you are running spellspeed (which you should be if you want the most DPS), you don't get the extra DOT ticks of T2 unless you have a large amount of procs, which you end up refreshing your thunder anyway.

If your mana tick comes early, then skip the B1. Its fairly easy.

A smoother rotation? Thats completely negligible whatsoever. I find the T1/B1 rotation smoother - less cast time, more movement, more dps.

AOE rotation? Again, what content do you have to do an AOE rotation that matters? You certainly don't in 2nd coil or any of the extreme primals.

If you want to keep ignoring facts to try and justify using a useless stat on your novus, then go ahead, but i'll make sure that people know you are talking rubbish

Piety does not matter for a BLM for any meaningful content. Simple.

[Numenor1379]

For peet's sake Harold, stop spouting theoretical math that has zero real world applications given human imperfection and RNG that borks perfect turreting DPS. T. I have never stated my Piety build was optimal, I have said what I find useful when running real content. Extra T2 tick (if you use T2 B1) for when your rotation is slowed a few seconds due to dodging. The extra F2 cast when AoEing in a Dungeon or open world scenerio. Namely all the little things that JUST HAPPEN which screw perfection into the ground.

I have stated many times the optimal build is SSPD/DET, you seem to ignore that little fact. Sure, you can get an extra 0.8dps over the T2 rotation but that means nothing, show me any fight saved by that little dps difference of one single member of the raid... I highly doubt you will find one.

You are so focused on theoretical min/maxing that you miss what the real world does to those perfect little models you so cherish.

[scarebearz]

The math disagrees with you.

If you are running spellspeed (which you should be if you want the most DPS), you don't get the extra DOT ticks of T2 unless you have a large amount of procs, which you end up refreshing your thunder anyway.

If your mana tick comes early, then skip the B1. Its fairly easy.

A smoother rotation? Thats completely negligible whatsoever. I find the T1/B1 rotation smoother - less cast time, more movement, more dps.

AOE rotation? Again, what content do you have to do an AOE rotation that matters? You certainly don't in 2nd coil or any of the extreme primals.

If you want to keep ignoring facts to try and justify using a useless stat on your novus, then go ahead, but i'll make sure that people know you are talking rubbish

Piety does not matter for a BLM for any meaningful content. Simple.

Your talking about "facts" and other people "talking rubbish".

Your "facts" are theory's and the "talking rubbish" is when people disagree with you.

As Numenor1379 say's there is a lot more involved in real world situations that you "facts" and "maths" don't take into account.

In my opinion all these "facts" are of little value without some real world numbers to back them up.

What dps are you doing on real world content that "matters" (t6/8/9, primals) with your "superior" build/rotation? How many Bards?

[HaroldSaxon]

For peet's sake Harold, stop spouting theoretical math that has zero real world applications given human imperfection and RNG that borks perfect turreting DPS.

T. I have never stated my Piety build was optimal, I have said what I find useful when running real content. Extra T2 tick (if you use T2 B1) for when your rotation is slowed a few seconds due to dodging. The extra F2 cast when AoEing in a Dungeon or open world scenerio. Namely all the little things that JUST HAPPEN which screw perfection into the ground.

I have stated many times the optimal build is SSPD/DET, you seem to ignore that little fact. Sure, you can get an extra 0.8dps over the T2 rotation but that means nothing, show me any fight saved by that little dps difference of one single member of the raid... I highly doubt you will find one.

You are so focused on theoretical min/maxing that you miss what the real world does to those perfect little models you so cherish.

A) The question of this thread was BIS. This is for theoretical BIS.

B) The whole premise that people make up that spellspeed isn't good in real fights is absolute crap. Why? If you have to cancel a cast when running on spellspeed, you are going to have to with any other build. In fact, you get MORE utility out of spellspeed due to lower cast times (can finish your casts quicker), better movement (cast clipping) as well as the dps advantage it brings

C) I do great DPS with my build in the real world with my Spellspeed build. I run my i110 weapon, i110 gloves, i110 feet, i110 neck. The rest are melded crafted pieces.

D) You are coming into a thread that was created in asking about a BIS, claiming that a BIS doesn't matter. Says it all.

E) If you are going for an economical Novus build (which wasn't what this thread was for), there are BETTER options. Hell, put crit instead of piety, at least its a dps increase over piety. Piety doesn't give you a DPS increase in any meaningful fight (as AOE isn't required in current high end game).