Black Mage Novus

[HaroldSaxon]

Best would be 44 SSPD, 31 DET. That being said however, Det IV materia is stupidly expensive and getting 251 Piety all the time (instead of only when grouped with a SCH) is nice.

Which is a fair enough point. I was just being clear that if cost isn't an issue for you, 44Spellspeed 31 det would be better.

i never noticed enough of a change with SS to ever think it is important enough, a few .001 seconds isnt worth the wasted space for other stuff

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[monochromicorn]

Welcome to Wrong Town, population you.

if i can drop all the SS i have and only see a .02 change, its not worth it

[Numenor1379]

Which is a fair enough point. I was just being clear that if cost isn't an issue for you, 44Spellspeed 31 det would be better.

Actually, for myself doing the SSPD/DET/PIE build is a very nice DPS increase. Smoother rotation with 251, and I get to put the one PIE I had of my bonus stats back into INT. I'm looking forward to finishing my build in a week or two, 57/75. =D

[HaroldSaxon]

if i can drop all the SS i have and only see a .02 change, its not worth it

If you aren't running spellspeed on a BLM and saying the stat isn't worth it, then you aren't maximising your dps. There is a lot of proof out there that shows its the best secondary stat when running seleen, and second best when not (and ends up being the best realistically as you get more of it compared to determination on gear, apart from Novus - but its a non issue as you cap Spellspeed and Det). Saying otherwise just makes you look silly.

[HaroldSaxon]

Actually, for myself doing the SSPD/DET/PIE build is a very nice DPS increase. Smoother rotation with 251, and I get to put the one PIE I had of my bonus stats back into INT. I'm looking forward to finishing my build in a week or two, 57/75. =D

If you have high damage and high spellspeed, you don't need the piety. T1+B1 is a dps increase (its only a tiny increase mind you, less than half a percent of your dps). If you still want the piety, there are better "tradeoffs" to get the piety elsewhere, such as 2 star spellspeed food, or on a crafted piece.

[Numenor1379]

If you have high damage and high spellspeed, you don't need the piety. T1+B1 is a dps increase (its only a tiny increase mind you, less than half a percent of your dps). If you still want the piety, there are better "tradeoffs" to get the piety elsewhere, such as 2 star spellspeed food, or on a crafted piece.

Sadly Soldiery gear is crap when it comes to SSPD (nice on damage though), and as my static has just started T7 the important HA Tunic is still out of reach. Regardless though, my build is a very solid choice, not the max it could be, but I am not wasting points on dumb stats nor am I breaking the bank with DET IVs that cost 700k+.

[HaroldSaxon]

Sadly Soldiery gear is crap when it comes to SSPD (nice on damage though), and as my static has just started T7 the important HA Tunic is still out of reach. Regardless though, my build is a very solid choice, not the max it could be, but I am not wasting points on dumb stats nor am I breaking the bank with DET IVs that cost 700k+.

1) Spellspeed isn't a dumb stat. Its been proven otherwise. With running spellspeed food to get piety, you don't need to have any class stat points in Piety.

2) The discussion was what the most dps was; and if you want the most dps out of your novus, then you run 44 Spellspeed 31 Det. Its a fair point if you want to save money and not use Det IV's (which are getting cheaper by the day, and its stupidly easy to make money in this game), but that still makes no difference to running spellspeed on your novus.

3) I've not got the Chestpiece myself, still doesn't mean spellspeed is a bad stat. You can also run spellspeed (secondary) on the Soldiery Head, Gloves, Feet and Neck. The Crafted Head, Belt and Legs are VERY good options and then you also have the ST items (Head, Gloves, Legs are nice in particular). The crafted jewellery are good choices too.

Someone was asking about the best DPS. If you want to discount a stat because you don't like it or it touched you somewhere bad, then fair enough, but don't go around saying its useless when you are completely incorrect.

[Numenor1379]

1) Spellspeed isn't a dumb stat. Its been proven otherwise. With running spellspeed food to get piety, you don't need to have any class stat points in Piety.

2) The discussion was what the most dps was; and if you want the most dps out of your novus, then you run 44 Spellspeed 31 Det. Its a fair point if you want to save money and not use Det IV's (which are getting cheaper by the day, and its stupidly easy to make money in this game), but that still makes no difference to running spellspeed on your novus.

3) I've not got the Chestpiece myself, still doesn't mean spellspeed is a bad stat. You can also run spellspeed (secondary) on the Soldiery Head, Gloves, Feet and Neck. The Crafted Head, Belt and Legs are VERY good options and then you also have the ST items (Head, Gloves, Legs are nice in particular). The crafted jewellery are good choices too.

Someone was asking about the best DPS. If you want to discount a stat because you don't like it or it touched you somewhere bad, then fair enough, but don't go around saying its useless when you are completely incorrect.

So did you even read my post or are you just venting? I said Soldiery gear is crap regarding SSPD (ie very low values) while being good in the other damage stats. If you'd bothered to have read the first word I wrote "sadly" you should have understood that I am irritated the stats are what they are. So why don't you go rewrite your post instead of insulting my intelligence with it. In case you noticed my Novus IS maxed SSPD.

EDIT: Also, the comment regarding DET IV getting cheaper by the day is completely laughable. Perhaps on your server, but on Famfrit the price has more than doubled over the past month. Going from 300k before 2.3 to 700k yesterday. Most people I know, even the rich ones, would balk at the thoight of spending that much for a few DET points.

[HaroldSaxon]

So did you even read my post or are you just venting? I said Soldiery gear is crap regarding SSPD (ie very low values) while being good in the other damage stats. If you'd bothered to have read the first word I wrote "sadly" you should have understood that I am irritated the stats are what they are. So why don't you go rewrite your post instead of insulting my intelligence with it. In case you noticed my Novus IS maxed SSPD.

EDIT: Also, the comment regarding DET IV getting cheaper by the day is completely laughable. Perhaps on your server, but on Famfrit the price has more than doubled over the past month. Going from 300k before 2.3 to 700k yesterday. Most people I know, even the rich ones, would balk at the thoight of spending that much for a few DET points.

I read your post. I gave examples where Soldiery gear had spellspeed on. Head, Gloves, Feet, Neck. Not a huge amount I agree, but there are also plenty of other viable options. ST gear. Crafted gear.

You said yourself that you aren't wasting points on dumb stats. That was the exact wording you used. Feel free to explain how that isn't what I took it as. If you want to rewrite that, then feel free. I was talking about what the best dps would be from a Novus. Its a fact that a 44 SPD 31 Det Novus gives the most dps. If you want to run something else, either crit/det, or a hybrid for it to be cheaper, then that is your choice.

And Det IV has been steadily getting cheaper for the last month or so on Faerie, and given how the speed of spiritbonding has increased (if you are in the right area/dungeon), and as more people get their Novus, the price will just drop until SE make another change. Sure, some people can't afford it, but given how easy it is to make gil in this game, I know i'll be going 44/31.

[Beliel]

You said yourself that you aren't wasting points on dumb stats. That was the exact wording you used. Feel free to explain how that isn't what I took it as. If you want to rewrite that, then feel free. I was talking about what the best dps would be from a Novus. Its a fact that a 44 SPD 31 Det Novus gives the most dps. If you want to run something else, either crit/det, or a hybrid for it to be cheaper, then that is your choice.

I think he meant not wasting points on skill speed or str or some other stat that is useless for blm.

You need to chill out a bit and think a little bit more before typing something, just to make sure you dont missunderstood other ppl posts.