SE Forgot to Add YouTube as a Requirement on Game Packaging/System Requirements?

[Tupsi]

(not that the community there was anything to brag about, but it certainly wasn't the cesspool we see in XIV today)

You sure as hell don't forget some of the experiences when you're playing an MMO designed as an actual world and the people in it are actual inhabitants rather than us just..being there lagging up cities till people go into an instance. People always love to say 'rose colored glasses' or 'nostalgia', but I had more memorable moments in 1.x than I did in ARR honestly..and it quite honestly is due to how the community tends to be.

You may or may not run into that same person again due to server grouping, but when you do and remember them, oh boy the salt that makes the run feel that much more "let me get my item and go" A lot of times in XI I like when some raids got drawn out because i loved the location and seeing OTHER people doing their own raids within same area even if it's competition for some pop items.

[AzakaTonnerre]

Lets destroy all the history books and other such things that let us learn from those who came before us while we're at it.

Did someone really just compare videos of a video game with the history of the real life world in terms of importance? Really? Seriously?

I... Don't... Even...

Maybe you need to take a break from gaming and see what the world is like if you feel a game holds that much importance.

[Tupsi]

Did someone really just compare videos of a video game with the history of the real life world in terms of importance? Really? Seriously?

I... Don't... Even...

Her point made perfect sense though - Research is important no matter what. It's there for you, you can't play this game unless you have an internet connection, meaning you have all of the resources available to you in some fashion. No computer? Your ps3/Ps4 can browse info for the most part. Chances are you have a smartphone as well.

No PS3/PS4? You're obviously not playing the game then.

[ispano]

Did someone really just compare videos of a video game with the history of the real life world in terms of importance? Really? Seriously?

I... Don't... Even...

Maybe you need to take a break from gaming and see what the world is like if you feel a game holds that much importance.

The point, as everyone seems to ignore, is that the person felt we should literally have all of those videos that people make to HELP people should be removed. Tools, that are created by those who came before, to help those who come after, should be REMOVED. Does it make more sense now?

So, yes, I did make the comparison. And you can tell the people who refuse to understand quite easily by the responses.

[Sainya]

This is also the only ff that tried to follow WoW. So now people who are unfamiliar with ff's elitist gaming culture are really getting a rude awakening. It's unfortunate, and I'm not saying it's right, but it is the current truth of the elitists. They all have less patience than ever.

[Amberion]

The only one that seems to have some expectation of what others should be doing here is you. I doubt anyone goes into an event blind expecting that everyone else will explain the entire encounter to them. In the same vein as what you said in the above quote, it could be considered selfish that some players expect others to compile information just so they don't have to spend time giving a short explanation. Selfish is fairly subjective term. Bottom line is that DF is the public realm, when you enter the queue you do so knowing that there will be players of varying skill levels and degrees of experience. If the group you end up in is so intolerable, you always have the option to leave.

You should get the context quite easily of what I meant since it was just a couple of posts before, that they talked about those that enter the instance and ask the others about the encounter. That to me, sounds like he have an expectation of the others teaching him.

And well, selfish might not be the best word. Had it been something like a school project, where one couldn't be bothered with reading up or researching the subject. Instead relied on the others to do it for him, what would you call him? lazy? selfish?

Well, closest analogy I could compare it to.

Anyway, my point in my first post was, why was the 3 players in the wrong and not the one that came in asking the others. It wasn't me taking sides with anyone actually, just that it's no players obligation since we aren't employed by SE to do it.

[Teirshin]

Anyway, my point in my first post was, why was the 3 players in the wrong and not the one that came in asking the others. It wasn't me taking sides with anyone actually, just that it's no players obligation since we aren't employed by SE to do it.

And, again.. its a social game, no you dont NEED to help them, but you should WANT to help them, since in the long run it only helps you. You arent obligated, just like the other players arent obligated to keep you in the group if they dont like your name, or your class. We treat others as we hope to be treated in return.

Someone who comes into a run knowing nothing doesnt have to be lazy or selfish. Why is it so illogical that they would assume the best way to learn is to talk to and ask the people who have done it before? Which is going to teach you more? Reading a book on a topic, or working with a person who's done it for years? Talking to the person who can offer real time feedback is going to net the better end result.

I dont know about anyone else, but the feeling when I take the time to explain something to someone and they say "Thank you" is better than any drop I'll get out of any dungeon in game.

[Moqi]

Anyway, my point in my first post was, why was the 3 players in the wrong and not the one that came in asking the others. It wasn't me taking sides with anyone actually, just that it's no players obligation since we aren't employed by SE to do it.

Hey if all you wanna be is right here's your cookie, no one has to explain anything to anyone because everybody can Google things. Grats! You don't look ridiculous at all arguing for pages about it "not being an obligation" over a 30 seconds explanation.

[Tupsi]

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He has a good point though - What does make the 3 people wrong that also did their research and done it before, but not the person who (most of the time) won't do research? You can explain it, sure, but when most of the time you try to explain something you get:

"DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO I DO WATEVA I WANT!"
"(EXPLETIVE!)"
"ELITIST!"

and so on, you really don't bother trying to explain to people...especially the ones who remain silent but are obvious new then get offended when you tell them they're doing x wrong or if they actually know what's going on. Watching a quick 4-5 minute over view video or reading a wiki for general idea is why they're there. I bet people read/watch tutorials on other things no problem.

[Moqi]

When I see the new guy message pop up I always ask who's new, and I always explain the more "obscure" mechanic before a boss if they tell me they don't know how to deal with them. I never had someone call me elitist or whatever. I'm not saying that aren't people like that, but maybe your attitude in offering help isn't the best either. Trolls are trolls and should be ignored regardless of how many times they've run a dungeon. Everybody else though is usually pretty nice and open to tips.