Chocobo Dye - The Missing Manual

[AttacKat]

Rolanberry Red » Midnight Blue

And I present you Midnight Blue




Here is the feather proc messages, got one for every fruit feed after the first proc message:


So, here is my new theory, and I will need others to test to confirm it.

Following the OP, all fruits behaves in a given pattern, and the game can only pick the 85 colors available. However, the RGB value of each color is limited within the color range defined. Therefore, using the calculator, we can determine the total amount of fruits we need to feed to move close to the desired color.

Previous experiences when people recommends feed amount tends to be in huge quantity of fruits, and assumes the result is the net sum, so order/qty of feed doesn't matter. After trying it out this way myself, I was never able to reach the desired color. After observing this I broken down my feeding into smaller patterns, but still feed all the fruits at one feeding.

For an example, say you wish to reach Rolanberry Red, using the new calculator, it recommends**

Desert Yellow » Rolanberry Red
RGB(223, 183, 87) » RGB(95, 31, 47)
Difference: Red: -128, Green: -152, Blue: -40
Feed the following to change to your desired colour:
18 × Pears, 21 × Apples, 29 × Berries

** (Using my own 8th scale RGB value)

Most of the people will likely just feed their chocobo 18 pears, 21 apples, and 29 berries in that order. However, feeding it this way will force G to 253 by the 14th pear, and B to 2 by the 17th pear, and -3 by the 18th, which is not within the color space. This in effect makes any G adjustment null after then 15th pear, and the 18th pear only adjustments the B by 2, and not 5 indicated by the calculator. Same will hold true for all the 21 apples that follows, since B is already at 0, and same will happen for berries.

Producing a result of

pear	18	133	255	0
apple	21	238	150	0
berry	29	93	5	145

Current	93	5	145
To Target	2	26	-98
Current Guess	Regal Purple

Therefore, we need to breakdown the feeding so all the values adjustment are within the color space for each unit of fruit eaten,

pear	6	193	213	57
apple	5	218	188	32
berry	10	168	138	82
pear	6	138	168	52
apple	5	163	143	27
berry	10	113	93	77
pear	6	83	123	47
apple	5	108	98	22
berry	9	63	53	67
apple	6	93	23	37

Current	93	23	37
To Target	2	8	10
Current Guess	Rolanberry Red

As we can see, both fed the same amount of fruits, but yet, produced very different results. With this knowledge in hand, we need to be careful on how we feed the fruits, especially at those end value ranges where 1 fruit too much may push the value to null and returns incorrect value.

Experiments:
I will be using this section to perform my own experiments, resetting my bird to desert yellow, and then attempt to 1 feed to the desire color. Being Soot Black seems to be the most desired color, or at least the hottest color in discussion, I will use it as my first trial.

9/5: Desert Yellow -> Soot Black

Start	Desert Yellow		223	183	87
Step	Feed	Qty			
1	berry	10	173	133	137
2	pear	5	148	158	112
3	apple	5	173	133	87
4	berry	10	123	83	137
5	pear	10	73	133	87
6	apple	5	98	108	62
7	berry	5	73	83	87
8	pear	3	58	98	72
9	apple	5	83	73	47
10	berry	4	63	53	67
11	pear	4	43	73	47
12	apple	3	58	58	32
13	berry	2	48	48	42
Goal	Soot Black		47	47	39
Fruits: 18 apples, 31 berries, 22 pears.

[Seiko769]

OMG that Midnight blue is gorgeous. I've been following this https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/16...661/Tdbywa.png so far in an effort to get to get Abyss Blue and maybe Soot black eventually. I've little issue so far with small feedings following the path it says. I've gone Cork, UI, Aldgoat, Shale I believe and am currently on a 1 pineapple feeding in an effort to get back to Gobbie Bag brown to take the easy way to Abyss Blue.....though I might want midnight instead now XD

[AttacKat]

Gobbie Bag brown to take the easy way to Abyss Blue.....though I might want midnight instead now XD

LOL, you will be my first guinea pig ...

Gobbiebag brown » Abyssal Blue

RGB(180, 158, 130) » RGB(43, 39, 80)
Difference: Red: -137, Green: -119, Blue: -50
Feed the following to change to your desired colour:
17 × Apples, 19 × Pears, 26 × Berries

Using my RGB value:

Feed	Qty	191	167	135
apple	17	255	82	50
pear	19	160	177	0
berry	26	30	47	130

Current	30	47	130
To Target	25	0	-43
Current Guess	Royal Blue

Microfeeding:

Feed	Qty	191	167	135
apple	5	216	142	110
pear	5	191	167	85
berry	5	166	142	110
apple	5	191	117	85
pear	5	166	142	60
berry	5	141	117	85
apple	5	166	92	60
pear	5	141	117	35
berry	5	116	92	60
apple	2	126	82	50
pear	4	106	102	30
berry	5	81	77	55
berry	6	51	47	85

Current	51	47	85
To Target	4	0	2
Current Guess	Abyssal Blue

Add this for Midnight:

apple	4	71	27	65
pear	4	51	47	45
berry	4	31	27	65

Once we get enough confirmations that this works, or at least helps shorten the path to desired color, I will then make a new post and we can con't from there.

[Kirisunna]

I'm stuck in an awful loop, please help! Trying to get Lotus Pink by getting Snow White first. I can't seem to get where I am wanting to go.

Loop
Sylph Green 182 182 131, and (currently here->)Ice Blue 173 192 202
Goal
Snow White 226 221 205 or Lotus Pink 254 202 244.

[Pyoncodino]

Hi, I'm stuck in a loop, help me please! I would like to get Soot Black as final colour, and I'm stuck in the loop Dalamud Red-Regal Purple... I tried to proceed from Dalamud Red towards Rolanberry Red with O'Ghomoro Berries (three times) and Mamook Pears (once) but always got Regal Purple instead of Rolanberry Red... Any advice? Thank you!

[AttacKat]

(currently here->)Ice Blue 173 192 202
Goal
Snow White 226 221 205 or Lotus Pink 254 202 244.

Starting Colour			Ice Blue		
Step	Feed	Qty	183	199	207
1	plum	4	163	219	227
2	pineapple	4	183	239	207
3	valfruit	4	203	219	227
4	plum	0	203	219	227
5	pineapple	2	213	229	217
6	valfruit	1	218	224	222
7	apple	1	223	219	217
					
Target Colour RGB			223	223	215
Target Colour			Snow White

Lotus Pink

Starting Colour			Ice Blue		
Step	Feed	Qty	183	199	207
1	plum	4	163	219	227
2	pineapple	4	183	239	207
3	valfruit	4	203	219	227
4	plum	1	198	224	232
5	pineapple	4	218	244	212
6	valfruit	4	238	224	232
7	plum	0	238	224	232
8	pineapple	1	243	229	227
9	valfruit	4	255	209	247
					
Target Colour RGB			255	207	247
Target Colour			Lotus Pink

[Chopski]

...

Think I'm going to implement your 8th scale RGB values and increment by +/-8 if that's ok with you? Possibly have both and add the ability to confirm which worked for people.

Do you have the RGB values in a format I can migrate into the DB more easily? I can only find a PDF, which would mean a lot of copy and pasting.

[Rennah]

Alright, I decided to give this calculator a go now that I'm starting on an alt's chocobo. Going for wine red, started feeding earlier on my own, and landed at pumpkin orange. Went to the calculator and put in the information, and got this:

Pumpkin Orange » Wine Red

RGB(193, 109, 31) » RGB(62, 17, 14)

Difference: Red: -131, Green: -92, Blue: -17

Feed the following to change to your desired colour:

11 × Apples, 15 × Pears, 22 × Berries

Note: If any of the above fruits in your recipe are quite high, it is recommended to alternate them with the others when feeding, so that you do not max out your RGB values by feeding all of the same type of fruit at once.

I broke it down like this when I fed:

5 berries, 3 pears, 2 apples, 4 berries, 3 apples, 4 pears, 5 berries, 1 apple, 1 berry, 4 pears, 3 berries, 1 apple, 4 pears, 4 berries, 4 apples

The "growing new feathers" message began on the fourth berry, and appeared for every fruit after. At the point where I broke my "rotation" and fed berries twice with only one color in between instead of two, it was just a mistake, but I don't think it should hurt anything. Will report back later with an update on what I got. By the way, here's the pumpkin orange chocobo, if anyone's curious about the color:



Screenshot was taken in late evening (when I happened to see it) and, of course, my chocobo blinked in the middle of it, so sorry for the quality!

[AttacKat]

implement your 8th scale RGB values and increment by +/-8 ... I can only find a PDF, which would mean a lot of copy and pasting.

It is on google docs. Should be able to do an "open" or save to local drive from there. BTW, keep the increment at +/-5, that is what I have been using off of the old spreadsheet calculator.

Going for wine red, started feeding earlier on my own, and landed at pumpkin orange.
5 berries, 3 pears, 2 apples, 4 berries, 3 apples, 4 pears, 5 berries, 1 apple, 1 berry, 4 pears, 3 berries, 1 apple, 4 pears, 4 berries, 4 apples

The "growing new feathers" message began on the fourth berry, and appeared for every fruit after.

Same happened to me once I got the first feather proc, I got a feather proc for every fruit after.

I think we will do our testing here, and after I get maybe 10 or so confirms, I will start a new thread and describe my process in more detail. It is quite simple once you see the color "walls" to avoid the mistakes I made (as well as others).

I would like to get Soot Black as final colour ... got Regal Purple

Regal Purple » Soot Black
RGB(95, 42, 71) » RGB(37, 35, 30)
Difference: Red: -58, Green: -7, Blue: -41
5 × Apples, 7 × Berries, 10 × Pears

Microfeeding:

Starting Colour			Regal Purple		
Step	Feed	Qty	103	55	87
1	apple	3	118	40	72
2	berry	3	103	25	87
3	pear	3	88	40	72
4	apple	2	98	30	62
5	berry	3	83	15	77
6	pear	7	48	50	42
					
Target Colour RGB			47	47	39
Target Colour			Soot Black

[Kusari-chan]

From purple I followed the calculator instructions to get to Soot Black: 6 pears, 6 berries, 1 apple, 1 berry, 4 apples and 4 pears. . . . and drum roll. . . . Wine Red! It's not Soot Black. . . but it is still nice to see another color other than purple or blue. . . that being said, now I want to see midnight blue, and the calculator recommends 4 plums and 4 berries. Gonna give it a shot, because even though I know what my ultimate goal is, I want to see a variety of colors.

So, 4 plums and 4 berries, I'll try to get to midnight ^.^

So I did make it to Midnight Blue this time <3

it really is lovely, and now I am following the calculator to get to kobold brown, using a pear, 2 apples, and 3 pineapples. . . I got a feather message at the second pineapple and then again after the third pineapple. . . so We'll see. . .