People are being cruel to new players

[Sessurea]

My face when I read OP giving anecdote concerning his experience healing a "crappy tank", seems he isn't so forgiving deep down himself.

[Hurlstone]

It seems I have been rather lucky in this game, in that I have never really experienced any problems during my early days. When I entered a new dungeon, I made sure to tell people it was my first time, and almost always a kind soul would explain the tactics and help if I was stuck. Since reaching the higher levels/endgame, I have tried to do the same with any new players I encounter.

That is not to say what the OP says isn't true, because it certainly is! I have been playing MMO's for, what, 10-14 years now? In each there have always been examples of players being utterly rude for no good reason whatsoever, from FFXI, WoW, CoH/V etc... It is one of the many undesirable aspects of gaming communities that has yet to fade, and unfortunately I very much doubt it ever will. (It should be noted that silly things like elitism and rude attitudes to new players/casuals were common long before things like DF)

The best thing to do is to not be like them OP, and continue what you are doing and helping people rather then becoming like those who upset you. An act of kindness can go along way into making a player feel happy and learn more about the game. Oh, and if you want to play tank, then go ahead and just ignore those who have a go at you for no reason! They have basically won if you let them get to you in that manner, so try not to let that be.

[LunarCain]

Lich Server Welcomes New players nicely and gets Ninja Sneak invites to FC if you wanna join :O

[Capattac]

I know naming and "shaming" are not allowed here. How about one of you web savvy members create a site/blog/whatever that the community could use for just that purpose? If there are NEVER any consequences for rude/bullying behavior then of course things won't change. I refuse to run any dungeon unless the entire party is comprised of players I know. I have amazing rng luck that causes me to pull JA's every time I have tried to run dungeons in the past... I almost wonder if it's an American thing? Are foreign servers listing and or experiencing this crap?

[Raffounz]

Just do not worry, my first class was a tank, i started to play in beta, and this is my first MMO. I found some good friends to play on the way, and non from being a noob i'm training T9 from last month . When I see someone doing wrong i try to help, give advice, never get angry. Oh well, if ppl do not take my advice aftere a LOT of time... i vote yes if other ppl vote dismiss them, because u can learn to play but u can't learn to listen to other ppl advices XD

[Tiggy]

Because I play on ps4. I didn't have a keyboard at the time. Which made it worse, because they thought I couldn't see what they were writing.. Plus they weren't waiting for me when I did try to type out a message via the in-game keyboard, they just kept going.

To be completely honest you're playing a game with other human beings, and you didn't bring an effective method of communication and you're suprised you had problems? I'm not saying they were right or that people in this game could use more patience, but you kind of set yourself up a little bit. Go buy a keyboard.

[Dashuto]

Help run a casual LS and attached FC that helps new people and those new to endgame.

People really are jerks, and its nothing new. Since launch have been receiving people who are new to MMO and have folks totally spazzing out on them.

Whatever happened to just being a bro on a video game?

[Kalamari]

Hi Serendipitii, know exactly what you mean.. my first tanking experiences as GLD we're AWFUL. Tanking Copperbell Mines as a lvl 18ish GLD back then was harder than any level 50 dungeon as WAR.. You rely so much on having dps that are disciplined enough to both attack marked targets, and watch their enmity.

Both are things most dps new to the game have not learned yet, and when 2 dps focus fire seperate targets there is nothing you can do yet except get shouted at when you loose hold on the mobs and get frustrated..

Think the problem lies with low level tanks generating WAY too little enmity before they get access to Defiance/Shield Oath, and the high enmity combos. At such a low entry level, holding enmity as a tank should not be hard AT ALL.

Low level dungeons should serve as a safe environment for people new to the game to learn the ropes, not to make them scared of ever trying to tank again.

[Lasivian]

I heard someone once say "Do not let other people in the duty finder get you down because you're the low one in the group. They are there to carry you, not the other way around, that is what they are getting their rewards for". I think there is the expectation that everyone knows everything already.

On the other hand I like to make it clear to those i go with that I am not a "badass", things will probably go south and it's likely to be my fault. If they don't like that they can leave.

[Kaethra]

Try to be helpful rather than hurtful.

There are alot of issues with online gamers these days. Had you started back in 1999, things would have been alot different. I started a warrior back in the original EQ and well like you it was my first MMO. Was the first MMO really that had a Tank/Healer/DPS setup. So it wasn't like I had anything to fall back on. It really was new lol. But anyway, it wasn't long before I was in a group.

As a warrior I was expected to tank. What the hell is that? Well they were patient and taught me pretty much how to do it. Now I had to pull. Yeah that didn't go well. But the group was nice enough to tough it out. Its not like any of them had tanks themselves, and well the game was relatively new so it wouldn't be like they'd be perfect at it either. But that is where the attitude was different. Players didn't expect others to know more then them.

You see, 9 times out of 10, when you play a tank. And you're not very good at it. You know because you're still learning... you're actually better at it than anyone in the group who's complaining. I mean why aren't they playing a tank? See I know how to tank. I also know when someone is still learning. And I come from an earlier generation of online gaming. Help a new tank, you have a tank for life. That's how we handled it.

As long as the new person is willing to learn and take advice, I'll help them. I don't get ticked off because of a wipe. I don't feel like its a waste of time. They're learning. Eventually they will get it down and will be awesome. Cause that's all it takes to be successful in a MMO, is willingness to learn, willingness to adapt, and determination.

But back to the issue at hand. This generation is nasty. They grew up with everything handed them. Bullies didn't bother them, and they were sheltered. Now they are in a public forum where they can be jerks without many if any consequences. As a tank you're expected to hand them a flawless and quick run. You're supposed to know the content in and out. In otherwords, you're supposed to carry their sorry pieces of human flesh through the dungeon.

See.. despite their hurtful words and elitist attitudes, and their gear. They are crappy at what they do. They know it too. They know they are bad at DPS. They know they are bad at dodging AOEs. They know they can't think outside the box and use utility abilities properly. But why should they? In their minds there are awesome tanks out there that will make up for it. Isn't it funny how that works? Have you all seen that the better geared someone is, more often then not, they aren't as good as the gear suggests?

But take heart. There are still good people out there. People like me who will heal a dungeon and work with a new budding tank. People like me who will tell those people to F-off and leave the tank alone. People like me who will let them die in the AOEs they can't get out of, let them die to the mob they pulled off the tank. People like me who will vote kick them out for complaining about a learning tank. People like me who won't tolerate the abuse.

Now.. with that said, you do have to meet us halfway. As I said, be willing to learn. Be patient. And take advice. Do you need a keyboard to communicate? Its nice. But its as simple as jumping once for yes and twice for no. I mean I can tell when someone is on a gamepad just by watching them walk. Gamepad users tend to walk a sec then run when moving. Keyboard users run immediately. So as it needing to be a necessity isn't really that true. You don't have to speak back in order to get advice, though it does help when asking questions.

"Demanding that they generate more enmity"

Funny thing about that is when someone says you need to do more enmity show's they are a newbie too. At least in MMOs. Some of us MMO vets will use the term Agro or Hate instead due to playing Everquest or World of Warcraft. Enmity is a term only used in FFXIV to my knowledge. There's a slew of other terms and getting the lingo down will help you quite a bit. Unfortunately the list is way too long to try to post here. Best bet is to ask when you see one you don't recognize. Doesn't hurt to learn the ones from the older games too. Some of us older peeps will still use them in the heat of a moment, forgetting that they are pretty archaic lol. I still remember trying to use %t in a Praetorium run instead of <t>.

But good luck to you. And don't let those players get you down. They're only complaining because you're better than they are.