Game Devs: Don't make easier challenges, just reward people!

[Nicobo]

...What if the fights, instead of rewarding people only if they complete them all the way through, rewarded people by phase? .

IMO SE already did it, a single Coil was made as different turns.
It was what you was suggesting, otherwise Coil would be a single dungeon.
Sorry to say the idea was meaningless, people have not clear just NEED A CLEAR, not the reward in between. ^^;

[ariaandkia]

@ ariaandkia
I like to help new players in roullete, if party is struggling, I take it as an added challenge to get them through to completion which after gives a sense of personal satisfaction and hopefully a good experience for the others. So yes there is reason, maybe not for you, as past experience shows people base opinions on their own outlook, which is not necessarily true for all.

What I'm saying isn't about me. If it is me, I'll help without a problem. However, one or two people aren't really going to make a difference in the end.

Think of it this way: People who are helping just for the sake of helping will do so anyways, but they can only help so many people. Encouraging people to help increases the amount of people helped.

For me, I base my opinions on not only my own 'outlook' but what I observe of others around me as well. If I see that I'm enjoying something, but others around me are not, I would try to see if I can get them to enjoy it also. And if I see that something is forming a pattern, I generally will notice. And the pattern I've seen is that people tend to quit in dungeons they don't like or when there is a new player in the party. They often don't even give the new player a chance.

[HeroSamson]

I see the arguments as stupid.

Its like those people who say "I hate people who sell chocobo dyes for 60k SE do something about this"
Though knowing damn well if they had the item themselves would be selling them for the same prices.

Its like hard content people beat it but want it to stay hard though its the ones who beat it to begin with.
then turn around and say SE T9 queque takes to long or not enough tanks or healers.

Flip flopping all over the place.

[Prototype909]

I think most players actually don't like the journey at all, which is why so few players actually do Coil. They'd love to have the rewards, but can't clear the content so it's ignored by the majority of the playerbase (Especially since alternatives exist that give roughly the same gear).

Conversely, content that sort've serves as a middle ground (Mog EX, Ramuh EX) that is neither optimal in rewards nor easy to clear is pretty much ignored by both Coil and non-Coil focused players.

[HeroSamson]

I think most players actually don't like the journey at all, which is why so few players actually do Coil.

Oh I enjoy story I got to T5 I decided to stop.

Repeating a wipe over and over isn't enjoying the story 50+ times some people just don't know how to dodge dive bombs, also panic after big explosion and tornados.

Its a simple fight but then again some people have low Hp which when hit by dive bomb can't cure themselves because by the time a cure is casted another dive bomb hits them.

So you have to dodge it 100% or die.

after you die to many times you lose interest and people who rushed ahead suffer, because some people cant beat content after T5 but some do and leave those people behind they get stuck and lose interest.

You can only die so much before the content becomes boring and you just say to yourself "well items will be out dated soon anyways" might as well wait for next patch.

[Coatl]

Oh I enjoy story I got to T5 I decided to stop.

Repeating a wipe over and over isn't enjoying the story 50+ times some people just don't know how to dodge dive bombs, also panic after big explosion and tornados.

Ah, well this I can agree with. I don't agree with SE locking story progression behind the hardest content in the game. It's just uhm..well it's a really odd thing to do. Ideally they should make a story mode coil similar to how each primal has a story-mode version with no drops, and then make the version we have now co-exist.

[Amberion]

Exactly, I wouldn't be running coil unless I found it fun. Drops are just a bonus to help us progress. You can spot the attention deficit egotistical raiders from those standing AFK in Revs Toll with weapon drawn.

No, that is human nature. People who are happy or proud over something want to show it.

How do you take that for egotistical?

[Volcano]

No, that is human nature. People who are happy or proud over something want to show it.

How do you take that for egotistical?

You can be happy and proud all you like. but some people don't like bragging and showing, if you have to display it for everyone to see, then it just shows you trying to prove something that isn't needed.

People were doing that back in 2.0 when they 1st got relic, you saw a bunch of people showing off in rev toll, AFK. In a sense it's bragging without words.

[Amberion]

You can be happy and proud all you like. but some people don't like bragging and showing, if you have to display it for everyone to see, then it just shows you trying to prove something that isn't needed.

People were doing that back in 2.0 when they 1st got relic, you saw a bunch of people showing off in rev toll, AFK. In a sense it's bragging without words.

That is not bragging any more then.. well... players standing on roofs, sitting on benches or well anything someone does while AFK. Or are you saying that just because they had a weapon you, or someone else had, that they must be bragging?

Also, people went AFK in toll not to show off, but because there was nothing to do in the game once you hit 50, besides standing there and queuing up. There was a crapload of players AFKing there.

[Volcano]

That is not bragging any more then.. well... players standing on roofs, sitting on benches or well anything someone does while AFK. Or are you saying that just because they had a weapon you, or someone else had, that they must be bragging?

Also, people went AFK in toll not to show off, but because there was nothing to do in the game once you hit 50, besides standing there and queuing up. There was a crapload of players AFKing there.

You're either trying to hard or you're missing the point, but i can't teach you how to read between the lines, but the people who do this know full well what they are doing.

Do i also have to teach you the difference between actual AFK and sitting in plain view, with your relic weapon drawn?