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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    Having 41% chance means you have a 41% chance every time you do it. Don't fall victim to gamblers fallacy.
    QFT. I don't know why people want to think it's 41% out of 100 attempts. Every time you roll, you roll from zero
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haibel View Post
    QFT. I don't know why people want to think it's 41% out of 100 attempts. Every time you roll, you roll from zero
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
    The post wasn't saying it isn't 41/100%, it was saying it isn't 41% x 100 rolls. it's 41% x 1 roll, you fail or you pass. Your streak has no effect on the system, each time you try again it is back down to acting like it is your first roll. It doesn't maliciously decide ahead of time that you will fail 100 times in a row because it doesn't like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
    No, you don't. Over a long string of attempts it would equalize around there, but making 10 attempts you could fail all 10. Expecting otherwise is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
    that's not how probability works. Maybe if this was a single player game and you could only try 100 times that would be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
    don't forget multiples of 10. 410 / 1,000 is 41%. but that is still 590 / 1,000 chances to fail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
    You should have tried to learn at school
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adler View Post
    You should have tried to learn at school
    sorry to burst your bubbles Adler but Fawkes is right though. it means just about that if you repeat the same action for 100x you get a chance of hiting the nail 41 and fail 59 ...that is what 41% means, wheather your like it or not, saying to someone to go to school is kind of strange coming from somone that in fact must have forgotten to do so, you sure could use some lessons.

    Equally though, if I had to do it a 100x and fail 59 I would rather wait that my pros would be slightly better then the odds, just me though

    Mei
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    Last edited by MeiUshu; 08-25-2014 at 11:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeiUshu View Post
    sorry to burst your bubbles Adler but Fawkes is right though. it means just about that if you repeat the same action for 100x you get a chance of hiting the nail 41 and fail 59 ...that is what 41% means, wheather your like it or not, saying to someone to go to school is kind of strange coming from somone that in fact must have forgotten to do so, you sure could use some lessons.

    Equally though, if I had to do it a 100x and fail 59 I would rather wait that my pros would be slightly better then the odds, just me though

    Mei
    No, it means each individual attempt has that chance. What Fawkes was saying is that people expect to get 41 successes if they do 100, which is false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    No, it means each individual attempt has that chance. What Fawkes was saying is that people expect to get 41 successes if they do 100, which is false.
    Keyword "expect".

    I was not saying the actual outcome would be exactly 41 every time.
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