Tired of This Sh*t SE (SCH, Keep the nerfs don't care) But..

[Buff_Archer]

SE help!! My PLD/MNK/[insert any other class here] can't survive when I have 3 or 4 people hitting me and I have no support! Fix this now!!!

Do you hear yourself?

It's not about being focused itself. When a PLD/MNK/whatever gets focused they can continue to perform the role they're there for- DPS'ing, just with an aspect involving defense. A Healer who's role is to keep the party alive, not just themselves, was already limited in being able to perform their essential role to the party when focused and had to shift to survival mode, severely limiting their ability to heal the party. Our aethyrflow stacks becomes more of a survival tool in that situation than one to heal party members, so that if the party functions correctly I can stay alive long enough to heal myself and the party members who are now facing diminished healing. That was before the nerf, and I never complained about that aspect of things, that's part of it being formerly balanced in this regard.

Do you think a SCH being CQC'd by multiple opponents should be practically OSK'd and die in seconds, with the remaining party members having a major reduction in healing of up to 100% if no healers are left and are up against a group with one or more healers on board? For example, say a party with one WHM is up against one with one SCH. The ability of the former party to prevent the SCH healer the other from having their main survival skills at hand (which already have a cooldown once aethyrflow stacks are blown, and simply lustrating yourself does not buy hardly any time at all in this situation), without the latter party being able to do the same with the WHM, makes it a lot easier when all other variables are the same for party a to wipe party b than the other way around, and doesn't that constitute imbalance?

If you don't agree, I'd definitely be interested hearing your opinion as to why, but with perhaps a little more insight this time. Perhaps my response before didn't make it clear why simply surviving as a healer, vs. being able to perform aspects of your role that contribute to the party's success, is not enough and diminishing our options for survival in this case greatly hinders our ability to perform our role in an unbalanced way relative to other healers.

[Sygmaelle]

We get a pet which enables us insane survivability with our current skillset, and WHMs get CC. It's as simple as that.

You should always have one of each healing class at the minimum in the group anyhow, so what difference does it make?

Sacred prism and 2 tons of cc's + way better heal / survivability than scholar ? hell yeah you re talkin about white mage. Also a properly specced whm (not determination ones, thats for people that still dont understand how to play the game to begin with) absolutely destroy things in term of dps.

Look I got it that people find we are godlike but its mainly in a One vs one situation, or in a situation where stupid melees don't use any ccs, dont buff, dont use anything and let the scholar play with los so he got the time to cast one thing inbetween the hits he take, cc his enemies, break los again etc.

At this point I dont even know why SE is listenin to the people that cant pvp to begin with

[Koltik]

It's not about being focused itself. When a PLD/MNK/whatever gets focused they can continue to perform the role they're there for- DPS'ing, just with an aspect involving defense.

No, we are being attacked and thus are being stunned, heavy'd, knocked back, rooted, and god knows what else. Any one of these make us lose footing on our target, and we are no longer functional. We still get some hits in, but we aren't going to be performing near our full potential.

A Healer who's role is to keep the party alive, not just themselves, was already limited in being able to perform their essential role to the party when focused and had to shift to survival mode, severely limiting their ability to heal the party.

See above. Melee DPS also become very limited in performing our role when being focused. Caster DPS are on the same boat.

Do you think a SCH being CQC'd by multiple opponents should be practically OSK'd and die in seconds, with the remaining party members having a major reduction in healing of up to 100% if no healers are left

If you are all by yourself healing then yes, you should die. Your group needs more healers. PvP was balanced around WD; in WD you have 2 dps, 1 tank, 1 healer. If you disrupt this ratio then of course you will have issues.

[Vandril]

A Healer who's role is to keep the party alive, not just themselves, was already limited in being able to perform their essential role to the party when focused and had to shift to survival mode, severely limiting their ability to heal the party. Our aethyrflow stacks becomes more of a survival tool in that situation than one to heal party members, so that if the party functions correctly I can stay alive long enough to heal myself and the party members who are now facing diminished healing.

That's one big misconception, though. A healer's role is NOT to keep their party alive in PvP, it is to substantially slow down their party's rate of death. A party with 2-3 healers should still eventually fall. If a healer is unable to heal their party because they have to focus on healing themselves, and a majority of the enemy team's DPS are focused on said healer, then that healer IS fulfilling their role. Even if they're not actively healing their team, they are mitigating the damage their team takes overall by taking it in their stead.

One could say that Healers in PvP are much more akin to PvE Tanks than PvE Healers. It's a very selfless role to fill that doesn't always feel good when it functions properly (who likes being focused and constantly struggling, after all), but it's a very important role nonetheless.

[Buff_Archer]

No, we are being attacked and thus are being stunned, heavy'd, knocked back, rooted, and god knows what else. Any one of these make us lose footing on our target, and we are no longer functional. We still get some hits in, but we aren't going to be performing near our full potential.

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Had a family emergency will have to respond as soon as I can.

If you are all by yourself healing then yes, you should die. Your group needs more healers. PvP was balanced around WD; in WD you have 2 dps, 1 tank, 1 healer. If you disrupt this ratio then of course you will have issues.

[Titor]

I switched from Sch to WHM very, very early on in frontlines.

I can do about 5x as healing with the same gear on WHM as I could in SCH.

SCH was weak to begin with, very weak. With bad fairy AI (Micromanging? Plz), weak heals, and weak mitigation it was a joke.

Now it is not even a joke anymore, but has turned into that joke that was popular and went viral but ends up a few years later on your grandma's Facebook page.

[Vandril]

I switched from Sch to WHM very, very early on in frontlines.

I can do about 5x as healing with the same gear on WHM as I could in SCH.

SCH was weak to begin with, very weak. With bad fairy AI (Micromanging? Plz), weak heals, and weak mitigation it was a joke.

Or, you know, you could just be a better WHM than SCH in PvP. Which is the far more likely truth, since SCH have been competing with WHM fine pretty much since the start of FL.

Just because you're doing better at one class than another does not definitely mean that the latter is weak.

[Geologo]

In my opinion I see a lack of defensive skill for other classes than Helaer.
Usually I play SCH but I love to switch to BLM or SMN, but when I do it, I feel totally vulnerable xD
With BLM u can atleast use Manaward (Manawall in my opinion in PvP is really less useful, it is removed even via autoattack xD), but for SMN and other DPS classes just one defensive skill is not the worst thing that they should implement xD

[Hailie]

Healers are your defensive skills

[Divinemight]

While you guys are keep sending out message that it is other players' learn to play issue, maybe it is time for you guys to start to learn to adpot?

What happen when you stack Scholars?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...SCH-Too-Stronk

Read it yourself. You are branch off a dps class called Arcanist and Aetherflow has provided you too much for a healer. It is too strong and need a counter. They didnt blanket nerf Atherflow for Scholar (Blizzard would) and still allow you a chance to be adpot to Monk's adjustment. Just get over with it and learn to adpot it. This is not an end of world scenario. You also recommand to play different job and fidn out why they think Scholar is too strong instead of trapped in your tunneled vision world. This is armoury system, not WoW's spec system where you have to spend a lot of effort to play a different spec. Give it a try.