SMN BIS 2.3

[Sleigh]

Honestly, we'd need more than a few 3 minutes dummy tests to see the difference. You'd need at the very least a 1000 ticks of each DoTs with both book to really see the difference between both.

You don't need to do 1000s of ticks to see the min and max range of any DoT, though. The range isn't high enough, you'll get your min/max very quickly. Here's a few tests I did and it becomes quickly obvious what the range is after a few minutes:

i110 book: 575 INT, 75 WD, 284 DET. Bio II ticks: 105 - 116. Bio ticks: 120 - 133. Wind Blade: 257 - 284. Ruin: 240 - 265.
i115 book: 578 INT, 77 WD, 253 DET. Bio II ticks: 104 - 115. Bio ticks: 121 - 134. Wind Blade: 259 - 286. Ruin: 241 - 266.

I also did a little testing on my BLM with low potency spells to see if DET was just stronger on weaker spells, but on burst damage spells the damage DET added multiplied with the potency (B2 = 50 potency, Scathe normal damage = 100 potency, damage range basically doubled).

Regardless, i110 book isn't better than HA book in this case, but they're really, really close, perhaps a bit too close to get excited about for those who still have yet to get the book.

[Dwill]

You don't need to do 1000s of ticks to see the min and max range of any DoT, though. The range isn't high enough, you'll get your min/max very quickly. Here's a few tests I did and it becomes quickly obvious what the range is after a few minutes:

i110 book: 575 INT, 75 WD, 284 DET. Bio II ticks: 105 - 116. Bio ticks: 120 - 133. Wind Blade: 257 - 284. Ruin: 240 - 265.
i115 book: 578 INT, 77 WD, 253 DET. Bio II ticks: 104 - 115. Bio ticks: 121 - 134. Wind Blade: 259 - 286. Ruin: 241 - 266.

I also did a little testing on my BLM with low potency spells to see if DET was just stronger on weaker spells, but on burst damage spells the damage DET added multiplied with the potency (B2 = 50 potency, Scathe normal damage = 100 potency, damage range basically doubled).

Regardless, i110 book isn't better than HA book in this case, but they're really, really close, perhaps a bit too close to get excited about for those who still have yet to get the book.

Interesting. How long were your tests ?

[Judge_Xero]

Hmm, for funsies.

How's this for BiS then?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NKS4

You would lose the equivalent of 36 INT from stats, but gain the equivalent of ~26 INT from DET. So would your DOT rotation see a significant enough boost to warrant the 10 INT loss from big spells. (didn't include SPD in the weights)

[Havenchild]

Hmm, for funsies.

How's this for BiS then?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NKS4

You would lose the equivalent of 36 INT from stats, but gain the equivalent of ~26 INT from DET. So would your DOT rotation see a significant enough boost to warrant the 10 INT loss from big spells. (didn't include SPD in the weights)

I wouldn't sacrifice that much Int for DET but you would probably get outdone by a build with 2 less INT from cap.

Dwill posted an interesting DET build, I'm curious to try.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NGQV

[RinchanNau]

I wouldn't sacrifice that much Int for DET but you would probably get outdone by a build with 2 less INT from cap.

Dwill posted an interesting DET build, I'm curious to try.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NGQV

I won't be trying that as I've yet to collect a single atma. But I am interested in trying that build w/ HA book vs this build. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NKDF According to Ariyala's weights this build is very slightly better. But if his spell speed weight is a little too high then swapping to the mog neck and t9 earrings makes sense. Unfortunately I cannot test this build 100% until I get the t7 mask... Which seems like never. I guess I could do coil w/ 489 acc but missed attacks from my pet may counter the slightly better build especially since I use Ifrit at times.

[Dwill]

I won't be trying that as I've yet to collect a single atma. But I am interested in trying that build w/ HA book vs this build. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NKDF According to Ariyala's weights this build is very slightly better. But if his spell speed weight is a little too high then swapping to the mog neck and t9 earrings makes sense. Unfortunately I cannot test this build 100% until I get the t7 mask... Which seems like never. I guess I could do coil w/ 489 acc but missed attacks from my pet may counter the slightly better build especially since I use Ifrit at times.

The difference between the build you linked and the one Avalen posted is extremely minimal. We're talking about something approximately 1,03% damage in your favor.