I was iLvl 73 for Syrcus Tower and people raged that my iLvl was too low?

[Volcano]

ok fine, get an full alliance of i70 for st then, since by your definition ilvl do not matter.

The point is a few a people in i70 will make very minimal to no difference in the overall performance of the group as i have had people in almost full AF with the only thing giving them access was the accessories. as had no problems clearing, No one is going to do ST with every single person in i70. due to how easy it is to get i90. so this is moot. In fact unless you have been playing for a while it's actually HARDER to get a full i70 set then it is an i90.

[Xellos2099]

The point is a few a people in i70 will make very minimal to no difference in the overall performance of the group as i have had people in almost full AF with the only thing giving them access was the accessories. as had no problems clearing, No one is going to do ST with every single person in i70. due to how easy it is to get i90. so this is moot. In fact unless you have been playing for a while it's actually HARDER to get a full i70 set then it is an i90.

I agree, but as you said, since it is so easy to get i90 on the left side, it is the lack of effort that disappoint people. A single night in a voice hunt pt is way more than enough to get full myth set. Would you be happy if u see people in near full crafting gear in ct or st? Of course not but they meet the ilvl requirement. One of 2 people it might be fine but if u got like a full pt or 2 pt in full crafting shit it become an issue. I am just trying to say just meeting the ilvl requirement doesn't fly for a lot of people.

[Ashkendor]

I agree, but as you said, since it is so easy to get i90 on the left side, it is the lack of effort that disappoint people. A single night in a voice hunt pt is way more than enough to get full myth set. Would you be happy if u see people in near full crafting gear in ct or st? Of course not but they meet the ilvl requirement. One of 2 people it might be fine but if u got like a full pt or 2 pt in full crafting shit it become an issue.

Sorry, but someone in crafting gear cannot even be compared to someone in i70 gear appropriate to their class.

[zPanda]

Required iLv to be "effective" can generally be much lower for healers than for tank/dps on any non-SCoB content in the game currently. I'm sure 2 competent healers in a ST party could keep the party alive just fine in full iL70.

[Volcano]

I agree, but as you said, since it is so easy to get i90 on the left side, it is the lack of effort that disappoint people. A single night in a voice hunt pt is way more than enough to get full myth set. Would you be happy if u see people in near full crafting gear in ct or st? Of course not but they meet the ilvl requirement. One of 2 people it might be fine but if u got like a full pt or 2 pt in full crafting shit it become an issue. I am just trying to say just meeting the ilvl requirement doesn't fly for a lot of people.

First you compare a EX primal to ST now you are comparing People in crafting gear to actual stat based gear? Why do i even bother..

[Xellos2099]

I have to made that argument since people claim as long as you meet the ilvl requirement, it doesn't matter. I seen it more than quite a few time in this thread. IT IS NOT FINE. When you argue that min ilvl is fine for ST, then it should apply to Ramuh EX as well since they launch on the same patch. There shouldn't be double standard here. And yes I agree healer is not affected as much as tank /dps in ilvl but we shouldn't be encouraging this behavior.

[Pyreflye]

I have to made that argument since people claim as long as you meet the ilvl requirement, it doesn't matter. I seen it more than quite a few time in this thread.

You're just grasping at straws here.

It was pretty clear that none of us were referring to crafting gear when we were discussing whether i70 gear is viable or not.

[cismalePRIVILEGE]

I regularly spirit bond low level crafting/gathering gear in ST.

[Felessan]

Spiritbond horror stories don't have any relevance to legitimately undergeared players trying to gear up through content most players sleep through. The average i90 player plays like a damn i70 player these days anyway, because there is no need to put forth effort with everyone so overgeared.

Ahh... Double the horror, it's truly what i missed.
Not only the person will be undergeared, he will be underskilled as well. A true horror. I don't mind people who legitimately undergeared for given content, I even like newbies. But I don't really agree when people tries to pull off a trick of skipping several stages of gearing like going for equip 30 ilvl higher than they have now and offloading a burden to the rest of party - "carry me please".
And no, there is no fair way to pass content if your gear 30 ilvl lower. Your party will die no matter how hard it'll try. You might not remember, but -10ilvl was already a hard challenge back in the 2.0, where AK/Ultima was very hard for "fresh" 50 level.

In regards to your OP, i73 is enough. People have just gotten so used to overgearing content by 20+ levels, that they can't comprehend the fact that it's not a pre-requisite. I loathe people like that.

Enough to be carried? Sure. Enough to pass when the whole alliance at same ilvl? Surely not.

I cleared T8 FIRST TIME as WHM with... i70 weapon(i86 avg), not even did Coil(1-5 as WHM)

Spare us of bullshit. WHM is much less dependant on weapon and of course second healer can fill up the gaps. Try to do the same with all 5 dps at ilvl70 weapons and we all will laugh together.
And if all of you party was at 100+ ilvl and you was at your ilvl86 with 70 wepon - it's just a definition of carry.

[Pyreflye]

Enough to be carried? Sure. Enough to pass when the whole alliance at same ilvl? Surely not.

People said the same thing about the 2.3 dungeons.
Whinge, whinge "these are impossible at i70", "tanks need i90!", "DPS isn't enough at i70!"

Then, I did all 3 with a group of i70 players, tank included.

First thing I'm doing when logging in after Maint is putting together an Alliance of i70 players and clearing ST.