Was Coil 2 and Ramuh extreme over tune?

[Krr]

So, you're telling me that this casual game, which YoshiP himself admit he is keeping as easy as possible to not scare new players away, is too complicated for the social/casual player?

No, I'm telling you this casual game has almost no relevant content left for the actual casual playerbase, who are now forced to do hardcore content nearly the second they hit 50.

Don't you find it ironic, to call a game's content casual in one breath, and then say that the only ones who aren't complaining about what's currently available are the ones who schedule activities with 7 other people in a video game at least once a week every week in advance?

The game is too easy for statics, yet the stigma of being new in a pick-up group in 90% of the content anyone is doing at 50 leads to party finder groups making the solo queue for crap like dota look welcoming. That's a pretty major design flaw for a 'casual game,' isn't it?

I blame the game not for people 'being mean', but because being unwelcoming and toxic has been made an acceptable social norm by its design. There's a difference.

This was much, much less of a problem when the entire community wasn't overgeared for entry-level 50 content. Mostly because people had something to do at their gear level that wasn't 1hko jump rope fights. Now, you're instantly at the gear level where you're expected to be doing primarily those, even if you just started playing a month ago.

[Ellatrix]

Storymode fights are tuned to be cleared in 1-3 attempts. Endgame content is not because... it's endgame and not storymode. It isn't a stopgap to "keep people from beating everything". Rather, the point is to make it rewarding to conquer.

If you don't like dying, don't do endgame. If you want to do endgame, work on self improvement and finding people who also want to put forth a genuine effort. I met many of my current friends working on the 2.1 extreme primals when they first came out.

[stephenjd3]

there are 4 bosses in this entire game, for End game players, they are tuned fairly.

Casual gamers have everything else this game offers. ST/CT, all the dungeons, sightseeing, chocobo lvling, minion hunting, extremes, levi, mog, atma, animus +, Hunts alllllll the HUNTS, hell a casual gamer never needs to step food in SCOB to become full i110

[ispano]

there are 4 bosses in this entire game, for End game players, they are tuned fairly.

Casual gamers have everything else this game offers. ST/CT, all the dungeons, sightseeing, chocobo lvling, minion hunting, extremes, levi, mog, atma, animus +, Hunts alllllll the HUNTS, hell a casual gamer never needs to step food in SCOB to become full i110

Actually, they do, sort of. Without that second i110 ring, you only hit 109. Which seemingly means a lot to some people since someone even made a thread about it.

[Barimu]

there are 4 bosses in this entire game, for End game players, they are tuned fairly.

Casual gamers have everything else this game offers. ST/CT, all the dungeons, sightseeing, chocobo lvling, minion hunting, extremes, levi, mog, atma, animus +, Hunts alllllll the HUNTS, hell a casual gamer never needs to step food in SCOB to become full i110

No no there are not 4 bosses. Turn 9 is the only boss for end game players, turns 6-8 are a complete joke

[Colt47]

Storymode fights are tuned to be cleared in 1-3 attempts. Endgame content is not because... it's endgame and not storymode. It isn't a stopgap to "keep people from beating everything". Rather, the point is to make it rewarding to conquer.

If you don't like dying, don't do endgame. If you want to do endgame, work on self improvement and finding people who also want to put forth a genuine effort. I met many of my current friends working on the 2.1 extreme primals when they first came out.

Actually it is designed with the intent to keep people from beating all of it. That is why there is a difficulty curve! They basically don't want the majority of people to reach what is known as an exit condition, which is the point where you mentally just go "I've beaten it all the way and there's nothing left, time to go do something else." If there is at least one thing left to do, then hypothetically they prevent said exit condition.

[saeedaisspecial]

No, I'm telling you this casual game has almost no relevant content left for the actual casual playerbase, who are now forced to do hardcore content nearly the second they hit 50.

Don't you find it ironic, to call a game's content casual in one breath, and then say that the only ones who aren't complaining about what's currently available are the ones who schedule activities with 7 other people in a video game at least once a week every week in advance?

The game is too easy for statics, yet the stigma of being new in a pick-up group in 90% of the content anyone is doing at 50 leads to party finder groups making the solo queue for crap like dota look welcoming. That's a pretty major design flaw for a 'casual game,' isn't it?

I blame the game not for people 'being mean', but because being unwelcoming and toxic has been made an acceptable social norm by its design. There's a difference.

This was much, much less of a problem when the entire community wasn't overgeared for entry-level 50 content. Mostly because people had something to do at their gear level that wasn't 1hko jump rope fights. Now, you're instantly at the gear level where you're expected to be doing primarily those, even if you just started playing a month ago.

Crystal Tower is bullshit.
Binary Win/Lose conditions like Acheron's pads that require meta gaming knowledge are absolutely ridiculous for a person's first step into raiding!
How was I supposed to know that if we didn't DPS the Vassago's fast enough the bomb in the middle explodes?
What do you mean if a group wipes in Atomos the entire raid wipes?
What?! If Garuda's stones are all gone we wipe?! If Ifrit's Nails aren't killed we wipe?! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO RECOVER NO MATTER WHAT.
Casual content shouldn't make me lose!