Was Coil 2 and Ramuh extreme over tune?

[Taruranto]

I really hope they will change Ramuh ring to 110 with 3.35.

Will make more people do the fight too.

[KyrsIsley]

The question is if using the Ramuh ring for its non-acc stats is better than using another slot for its non-acc stats. The generality is 'no' since an i110 with the same types of stats will usually do more.

It is situationally good. To me, as a player with limited time, for instance, (mostly devoted to casually doing endgame content) it doesn't warrant several attempts of learning a fight and then several more attempts of getting the fight together with players I trust happening along online when I am and then managing to fill the holes with even more players who I don't trust that are hopefully good enough to make clears happen over say, just unlocking and doing SCOB, unless I'm literally locked out of and capped out on everything else.

(The fight itself is incredibly fun though. One of the better ones to come out recently, IMO.)

Assuming you have enough accuracy, so the additional accuracy is wasted. Using the commonly accepted theorycraft stats weigh of 1DET=0.283INT, 1Crit=0.211INT, and 1SS=0.094INT. You are talking about a net gain of 2.912INT by using the Ramuh Ring over the HA Ring of Casting. I wouldn't call that situationally good, it is simply better.

Your logic behind why X is not worth it due to the learning curve can really be applied to all endgame contents. Isn't that what endgame is about? Go in, learn the fight, clear the content, reap the reward? Why is Ramuh different, when the ring is clearly better?

This actually applies for BLM as well, but the gain is not as significant, because spellspeed weighs more for BLM than SMN.

[cryptic_angel]

Assuming you have enough accuracy, so the additional accuracy is wasted. Using the commonly accepted theorycraft stats weigh of 1DET=0.283INT, 1Crit=0.211INT, and 1SS=0.094INT. You are talking about a net gain of 2.912INT by using the Ramuh Ring over the HA Ring of Casting. I wouldn't call that situationally good, it is simply better.

Your logic behind why X is not worth it due to the learning curve can really be applied to all endgame contents. Isn't that what endgame is about? Go in, learn the fight, clear the content, reap the reward? Why is Ramuh different, when the ring is clearly better?

Only for SMN, since SMN does not benefit as much for SS. The ramuh ring is not BiS for both blm build.

[KyrsIsley]

Only for SMN, since SMN does not benefit as much for SS. The ramuh ring is not BiS for both blm build.

Actually, assuming you already have enough accuracy and all 19 accuracy on the HA ring is wasted. Using the commonly accepted weighing of 1DET=0.249INT, 1Crit=0.211INT, and 1SS=0.216INT. This ring is also better for BLM, you gain an additional 1.085INT. This may not be a lot in the grand scheme, but that's half the amount of INT you gain on an accessory going from ilv100 to ilv110.

But yes, Ramuh Ring is not in the BLM BiS build. But if you are in the process of gearing up, it is not a bad alternative at all. Since BLM only needs 471 acc. This is very easy to achieve, especially because BLM's BiS pants are from T9, which means you will likely have enough acc if not way over using Evenstar and Laevateinn or the Weathered versions while working towards the HA pants and staff.

[Triston]

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I CANNOT LIKE THIS POST ENOUGH.
I'm a casual raider, in that my static in my fc is still on T5. (which we've cleared, but we're pulling the rest of the FC up before starting on T6)
I'm not casual in the typical derogatory sense that T9 HA-holders use that means "utter shit at the game." There's a colossal distinction between not spending all of my effort daily trying to break down the barrier of entry that "hardcore raiders" erect around themselves*, and not being able to play your role with competence.
*Yes, when you get there you only raid like 2 days a week to clear T6-9 in one shot and you're done, BUT TO GET THERE you have to spend nearly every waking moment pulling together statics and raiders and banging your head against PF, oozing blood from every pore to try to get the "hardcore raiders" accept you enough to debase themselves by playing with you you scummy casual how dare you talk to them you're not fit to lick their High Allagan Sabatons.

[Triston]

I have no desire or patience for that, so I play casually. But as this post brilliantly puts it, there's nowhere for casual raiders to progress to. Nobody does Ramuh because Hunts are better; nobody will PF T6 unless you have a T9 clear and therefore are "in with the raid crowd" because Hunts are better. "But I wanted to play the gam-" HUNTS ARE BETTER.
2.3 patch for casuals: Run ST once a week for Oils or UAT --> {{Laideronnette}} spotted! (Central Shroud, x: herp, y: derp) <se.1>!!!

I don't do hunts because they make me want to claw my eyes out with boredom and hatred for the community, but it's literally the only """"""""content"""""""" (with maximum quotation marks) available to me. What are casuals who like to RAID supposed to do? I want to spam REX and get my SCH book and a ring, but hours scouring PF for learning parties tell me that isn't going to happen.

[KyrsIsley]

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Sounds like you do have a group of friends to play with. Ramuh Ex took me around 60-90min total of practice time in two separate groups before I downed it. I did a 60min session in a learning party to familiarize myself with all the mechanics, then found a group of 7 people with similar experience (have been to last phase) and cleared it with that group in 3 attempts. If you can't find a learning group, you can start your own with the sole purpose of learning all the mechanics (or you can just read the numerous guides out there and watch some video).

[saeedaisspecial]

I have no desire or patience for that, so I play casually. But as this post brilliantly puts it, there's nowhere for casual raiders to progress to. Nobody does Ramuh because Hunts are better; nobody will PF T6 unless you have a T9 clear and therefore are "in with the raid crowd" because Hunts are better. "But I wanted to play the gam-" HUNTS ARE BETTER.
2.3 patch for casuals: Run ST once a week for Oils or UAT --> {{Laideronnette}} spotted! (Central Shroud, x: herp, y: derp) <se.1>!!!

I don't do hunts because they make me want to claw my eyes out with boredom and hatred for the community, but it's literally the only """"""""content"""""""" (with maximum quotation marks) available to me. What are casuals who like to RAID supposed to do? I want to spam REX and get my SCH book and a ring, but hours scouring PF for learning parties tell me that isn't going to happen.

All I read was "I want to do other things, but I'm not willing to put the effort in"

[Taruranto]

I have no desire or patience for that, so I play casually. But as this post brilliantly puts it, there's nowhere for casual raiders to progress to. Nobody does Ramuh because Hunts are better; nobody will PF T6 unless you have a T9 clear and therefore are "in with the raid crowd" because Hunts are better. "But I wanted to play the gam-" HUNTS ARE BETTER.
2.3 patch for casuals: Run ST once a week for Oils or UAT --> {{Laideronnette}} spotted! (Central Shroud, x: herp, y: derp) <se.1>!!!

I don't do hunts because they make me want to claw my eyes out with boredom and hatred for the community, but it's literally the only """"""""content"""""""" (with maximum quotation marks) available to me. What are casuals who like to RAID supposed to do? I want to spam REX and get my SCH book and a ring, but hours scouring PF for learning parties tell me that isn't going to happen.

Maybe your server is just dead, 'cause people still doing freacking Garuda exe here on ragna. It's 3 AM in a mostly GMT server and there is a Ifrit exe and T5 farm pt up.

Ramuh has at least 1 Party for farm in PF almost all the time and I pug coil T6-8 every week almost always successfully because I too play casually and don't have a static (heck, I came back today after a 2 weeks break and I managed to clear both T6 and T7) and don't have a T9 clear.

None of this content is "hardcore" btw, if you think jump the rope scripted fights in instances are "hard" or "hardcore", you really should reevaluate your priorities.

Also, if you don't like hunts, you can still do all the wonderful content you could do before. Go spam dungeons, they are still there.

[RiverTams]

Coil talk usually brings the rude know it all downed t9 players and the casuals who seem to have a much lighter and nicer attitude.

Hmmm... I wonder.