ATMA DROP RATES ARE BS

[Seryl199]

I don't get your line of reasoning, first, you say that the don't like it don't do it reasoning is flawed, then immediately proceed that by stating that unweathered weapons are easily obtained for a fraction of the effort. Then you say that tagging fates is counterproductive, and yet you've done so yourself on multiple occasions. Both you and I have put in the time and effort for the atma grind, regardless of what your motivations for doing so actually are. Mine are largely for vanity, but as stated before, if you need a raid weapon, keep raiding! You'll get a decent weapon in much less time. Since my raid group is in a rut due to rampant scheduling conflicts, I'm cool with having a customizable weapon for my main class that will remain useable and upgradeable, and putting UAT's towards alts that I may play from time to time. Atmas have been around for so long that one would imagine the average player has at least attempted the grind, and is adequately capable of deciding for themselves whether they want to sit through the fate grind or would rather wait until a nerf has been announced, which will presumably be at the next step of the relic chain. I'm not sure if it's been explicitly stated that a nerf will be incoming, but it's definitely been stated that they don't want to step on the toes of those who have pumped out their atmas, be it through successful prayers to RNG gods, persistence, or what have you.

If atmas were a threat to SE's continued subs, one would imagine that they would have been changed by now. Not so long ago, zenith relics were a dime a dozen, despite being powerful enough to get you started all the way into 2.3 and scob, were more of a standard, and you likely had at least one, perhaps multiple by the time 2.2 hit. Your only restiriction was a meager weekly tomestone lockout. Atmas provide a somewhat exclusive, somewhat shameless time sink that, as you stated, only the patient, insane, or lucky get to enjoy. I don't think there's inherently anything wrong with that. It doesn't prevent you from experiencing any sort of content whatsoever, except perhaps a fairly nice looking UI for the trial of the braves.

[RiceisNice]

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> "Dont like it, dont do it" is probably the worse excuse for game design. We might as well just slam that into any content that are causing players grief whether it be difficulty or design. There's not much else to say about that.

> What is the intent making any FATEs in the area be eligible for an atma, let alone throwing you into low level areas like LLN and WT? The general census was that it is to help keep low level area FATES booming and going. It's the most efficient way speed-wise, but it's counter-productive to the design of FATEs to begin with. I'm not helping anyone but myself by tagging and leaving a FATE for the sake of getting more cleared in a timeframe

> How is "Upgrading" the relic weapon any different from replacing a raid drop or tomestone weapon? Unless it ends up being on par with current end-raid tier or being better (which has never been the case), the point is kind of moot other than for lore reasons (which is also pretty terrible at least for the Atma, not sure if I mentioned it here)

> "Step on the toes of players who already earned their atma". This is the iffy thing... Just how much "Effort" did every player put into Atma? There are probably people who got theirs within the week of release, if not days, yet you have people who spent weeks or more and still not see an atma. It gets pretty damn demoralizing and frustrating when someone randomly strolls along and gets an Atma on their first fate when you've spent weeks into that one. Have I not already pissed off some of my FC members and people who got their atma weeks later, if they even got it?

>If I didn't mention it in this thread already, the Atma portion is just utterly pointless, especially when the Animus Book and Novus scrolls are so much more engaging. They give you a weapon with supposedly new found powers, only it has the same stats as your zenith and even losing the cosmetic glow.

And lastly, this is specifically for the atma portion as I mentioned. The RNG, the poorly worded lore, the reward, just....everything about it. I probably wouldn't have too much of a problem with if it just made a little bit more sense in comparison to the other steps of the relic questline.

[Empressia]

> "Step on the toes of players who already earned their atma". This is the iffy thing... Just how much "Effort" did every player put into Atma? There are probably people who got theirs within the week of release, if not days, yet you have people who spent weeks or more and still not see an atma. It gets pretty damn demoralizing and frustrating when someone randomly strolls along and gets an Atma on their first fate when you've spent weeks into that one. Have I not already pissed off some of my FC members and people who got their atma weeks later, if they even got it?

Aw cute naw pls explain to us how is that any different from free oils, sands, n UAT being handed over to the non leet hordes?