New idea for trade craft/ gathering dungeon.

[Tupsi]

I hate to be whiny, but I am getting quite tired of these "No" like responses. Like why can't you do anything for the crafters?

Because people said 1.x did nothing right - meaning involving crafters in content was "wrong" too, so Yoshida changed it to where crafting and such is worthless (in the grand scheme of things.) Look at Aetherial gear while leveling - That's HQ stats+ Bonus unless you waste gil melding something that'll only be useful for 1 or 2 levels max.

Sadly, a lot of ARR's changes are here from the loudest group during 1.x polls.

[odintius]

Because people said 1.x did nothing right - meaning involving crafters in content was "wrong" too, so Yoshida changed it to where crafting and such is worthless (in the grand scheme of things.) Look at Aetherial gear while leveling - That's HQ stats+ Bonus unless you waste gil melding something that'll only be useful for 1 or 2 levels max.

Sadly, a lot of ARR's changes are here from the loudest group during 1.x polls.

Also mostly their fear of RMT's is what preventing them from implementing anything actually exciting for crafting or materia system imo.

[Dyvid]

... Is this seriously the way people think is appropriate to respond to a CM essentially saying "we know you guys want something like this; it's trickier to make than you think, but if we can make an idea that's good and that we can implement a) fairly for all classes and b) in a way that's balanced to how -this- game is then we'll gladly do it"? Honestly I wonder about this playerbase sometimes...

If it were this "simple" something would've been implemented back in 2.1. Stop pretending you know more about how to design, balance, and play-test MMO systems than the people actually making the game.

Dude, take a chill pill and relax. Stressing over little things isn't good for you. I've played MMO's that had this concept and it does work. Also the dev team and producer welcomes player feedback so please don't tell us otherwise.

Sadly, a lot of ARR's changes are here from the loudest group during 1.x polls.

It was a poll fair and square. Every one could participant so it wasn't the just the vocal minority. In fact the biggest compliant on that subject was the wards and randomness of crafting/gathering.

[Divine_Intervention]

Was discussing this with a friend the other day. Here's what we came up with. Please bear in mind, neither of us played "original" 1.0 etc, so we have no knowledge on what was in that or what could be already in work/progress.


The Ughamaro Mines - Add lots more levels to this, each level is like an instanced fight, but instead of having a full team, you have a full team + a miner. Each level you descend gets harder and harder, but ultimately with richer rewards. Put the rarest/hardest items to gather in the game at the bottom level, say 15 - 20 levels down, make it spawn once a day/week. The team should protect the gatherers' back while he gets to work!

Out in the wild - We have "escort" levequests, lets' add random spawns when a gatherer is going after a HIGHLY sought material. Anyone remember treasure chests from other FF titles? You tried to open them, they tried to eat you! Same idea. You're gathering, a huge monster appears to defend it's hoard, you have to call for help!

We did have a few other ideas, but i'd have to speak to him again to remember what they were lol!

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Dude, take a chill pill and relax. Stressing over little things isn't good for you. I've played MMO's that had this concept and it does work. Also the dev team and producer welcomes player feedback so please don't tell us otherwise.

I don't have a problem with feedback, and I didn't say it -couldn't- work. I have every problem with, and reserve the right to object to, people being jerks to the CMs.

[Ultimatecalibur]

The Ughamaro Mines - Add lots more levels to this, each level is like an instanced fight, but instead of having a full team, you have a full team + a miner. Each level you descend gets harder and harder, but ultimately with richer rewards. Put the rarest/hardest items to gather in the game at the bottom level, say 15 - 20 levels down, make it spawn once a day/week. The team should protect the gatherers' back while he gets to work!

While I would like to see gathering/crafting dungeons designing them is very tricky. The dungeon needs to be designed in such a way that all players involved are nearly constantly active and adequately rewarded while also not forcing reliance on one class.

Out in the wild - We have "escort" levequests, lets' add random spawns when a gatherer is going after a HIGHLY sought material. Anyone remember treasure chests from other FF titles? You tried to open them, they tried to eat you! Same idea. You're gathering, a huge monster appears to defend it's hoard, you have to call for help!

Technically both Gathering triggered spawns and Monsters-in-a-Box already exist.

4 of the 17 S rank hunts are triggered by DotL actions that involve two star gathers: harvesting La Noscea Leeks in Western La Noscea spawns Bonnacon, mining Grade 3 La Noscea Top Soil spawns Croque-Mitaine, fishing up a Glimmerscale in Western Thanalan spawns Zona Seeker, and fishing up a Judgeray in North Shroud will spawn Thousand-cast Theda. I would not mind seeing a few more of them

The Treasure Hunts are supposed to be the Monster-in-a-Box fights of ARR and even require a DotL class to start them. The 1 map per 18 hours is puts harsh limit on them.

[PoeRangutan]

I had an idea back around 2.1 that was basically a 5 person dungeon. The 5th person would be a DoH that would be specific to each dungeon. There would be a new copperbell mines (ALT) in the duty finder that would be the average 4 person dungeon, along with a DoH job. The DoH objective would be different depending on which discipline came. For instance.

Carpenter - build wood planks for a bridge or staircase.
Armorer - make a large metal pots that you would use to douse a fire to get to the final boss
Blacksmith - make a series of axes or hatches that would be used to cut through a wooden door
Goldsmith - create gemstones that would fill slots in an elemental combination lock
Leatherworker - make bags that could carry bombs
Weaver - build ropes for a bridge
Cooks - cook up some fancy treat that would distract the guard mobs
Alchemists - build the bombs, or make some sort of invisibility potion that the team would use to sneak past the guards

[PoeRangutan]

The trash mobs would drop the materials needed to craft everything, and the craft would be within the level synced range for the dungeon. If you fail too many, then you have to trigger something to reset the trash mobs, so you can get the items again to try the synths again.

The only thing I can't quite figure out, is what the DoH person would do during the boss fights, especially the last boss fight. If their main job is to build something that gets the group to the final fight, what do they do during that last fight? just stand around? During the trash fights, they would presumably be following along, picking up the dropped items, and crafting the items needed once they have enough items, and could even possibly be doing that during the mini-boss fights, but what about the last fight?

[PoeRangutan]

Unless you wanted to create unique encounters that involved the DoH person making an item, or some sort of interaction during the last battle (like shaking the trees during the sasquatch fight in Hullbreak), there would need to be something for them to do, other than just stand around and wait for the battle team to win. For some fights, like copperbell hard, they would be perfect things like moving the crystals for feeding the snake, but then you'd have to beef the hp of the mob since you'll now effectively have an extra DPS on the main mob. I wanted this to be easy enough to implement without having to re-tool every encounter, but I'm not sure how you would do it without having them stand around for the final fight.

[Dyvid]

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These are good ideas except I worry about the queue time on waiting for one specific DoH/DoL. Also I think dungeon should drop mats and have the crafter make the glamour gear that normally drops. As for boss fights take the stone vigil second boss. Now imagine that DoH have to fix the cannons before they can be fired. Another would be Coppermine HM where DoL has to unearth the crystals to feed the worm.