SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Gormogon]

You are basically arguing with yourself now

That's basically all they can do. They can't admit the real reason why they desire it. Instead they prefer to be in this vicious repetitive cycle where they claim nothing can be done in-game without its existence, in which the claim itself is baffling.

If they would simply admit to needing this 3rd party tool for the sake of it just being a quality of life thing then they would have less trouble getting their point across to the dev team and in turn be taken more seriously.

Yet they prefer that vicious cycle because they try and rationalize the justification of belitting players that you can see all thread long. That alone already defeats the purpose since it shows how the pro parser side is easily swayed into bad/shaddy behavior that SE is trying to prevent and/or keep at a minimum.

[Krr]

That's basically all they can do.

Given that this thread is now an echo chamber for the irrational who can't handle being shown counter-evidence and instead want to engage in reactionary drivel, yeah, it's pretty pointless for anyone forward-thinking or capable of grasping material realities beyond their insane, made-up scenarios to post in it.

With that point in mind, I guess I've made a good argument for myself to go to bed, and keep an eye out for the player names of several people who've taken frighteningly abusive and manipulative mindsets toward other players in response to criticism of their play in case they transfer to my server or show up in my DF. I will play with seven parser-abusing outlaws willing to tell me how well I'm doing over seven blind fools who rage on a forum and hurl baseless moral insults over the crime that someone once called their DPS low.

If a player genuinely abuses you using one of these programs, you have the ability as granted by the TOS to call forth an investigation of their behaviors. Nobody here is taking that away from you, and many people advocate fight club rules to prevent this type of abuse from being common.

I have done nothing but educate players on the rules surrounding, official statements given, and real effects and technology used for parsers in this game to do their job, and even corrected several misconceptions about how they work and why you may not consider them ethical with the "pro parser" crowd. Others, however, have resorted to simply repeating ToS diatribes written by legal robots and the phrase "cheating".

[Assirra]

That's basically all they can do. They can't admit the real reason why they desire it. Instead they prefer to be in this vicious repetitive cycle where they claim nothing can be done in-game without its existence, in which the claim itself is baffling.

If they would simply admit to needing this 3rd party tool for the sake of it just being a quality of life thing then they would have less trouble getting their point across to the dev team and in turn be taken more seriously.

Yet they prefer that vicious cycle because they try and rationalize the justification of belitting players that you can see all thread long. That alone already defeats the purpose since it shows how the pro parser side is easily swayed into bad/shaddy behavior that SE is trying to prevent and/or keep at a minimum.

Seriously, am i seeing a different thread from most of you anti-information people? Where do you see this belittling in this thead? It's actually backwards. People give valid arguments and all we get back are stupid comparisons and "lalalala your cheating lalala".

[Elven]

Seriously, am i seeing a different thread from most of you anti-information people? Where do you see this belittling in this thead? It's actually backwards. People give valid arguments and all we get back are stupid comparisons and "lalalala your cheating lalala".

All we get is please please listen to us we think you're too stupid to understand that parsers are a good thing and greatly help us train. Oh please parsers were just an innocent third-party application caught in the big bad war against those other applications that are clearly cheating. But wait we have more valid reasons because you're all too ignorant to see past the fact it's against Tos.

Did I leave anything out? Oh wait lets say by nature parsers are not cheating, but technically they are because of the Tos. See what I did there, live with it.

[Assirra]

All we get is please please listen to us we think you're too stupid to understand that parsers are a good thing and greatly help us train. Oh please parsers were just an innocent third-party application caught in the big bad war against those other applications that are clearly cheating. But wait we have more valid reasons because you're all too ignorant to see past the fact it's against Tos.

Did I leave anything out? Oh wait lets say by nature parsers are not cheating, but technically they are because of the Tos. See what I did there, live with it.

And here we have the proof ladies and gentlemen. So far the ones in the thread complaining about bad attitude are the ones with one. Kinda ironic.

Anyway, i am out of here, a wall has better arguments.
Have fun with your anti-information crusade but just remember one thing.

You prolly played with people using it without you ever realizing.

[Elven]

And here we have the proof ladies and gentlemen. So far the ones in the thread complaining about bad attitude are the ones with one. Kinda ironic.

Anyway, i am out of here, a wall has better arguments.
Have fun with your anti-information crusade but just remember one thing.

You prolly played with people using it without you ever realizing.

Not really you have been given many examples why they are not allowed but you choose to ignore them and instead counter argue that we do not understand the inner workings of parsers. Are you serious what part of not allowed under the current rules of the Tos do you not understand? Time and time again how many times do we have to say. If they were allowed there is no problem. Please for the love of the twelve understand that and not for gods sake think this is a witch hunt. Goodness how thick can people be.

[Gormogon]

Time and time again how many times do we have to say. If they were allowed there is no problem. Please for the love of the twelve understand that and not for gods sake think this is a witch hunt. Goodness how thick can people be.

They think we are the ones trying to prevent their "quality of life". Square-Enix did it for a reason and they can't even realize how unhealthy this addiction and obsession has gotten for them because they turned a simple tool into such a necessity.

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

[Assirra]

They think we are the ones trying to prevent their "quality of life". Square-Enix did it for a reason and they can't even realize how unhealthy this addiction and obsession has gotten for them because they turned a simple tool into such a necessity.

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

I dare you
Point 1 example in this thread of this "insults and belittlement"

I point back to yourself, by calling people addicts btw.
You just became what you are insulting people for this whole thread.

[Kayo]

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

Haha, so true. It's the dependency on parsers which paved way for the mindset behind the silent-Bards out there. Thanks to this addiction (good call btw) players have completely forgotten about team work and what is best for the team to accomplish a win (like sacrificing some DPS so your healer can last a while longer). Its all ... "well im DPS/HPS, so thats all I need to do... parser says im doing good and if I dont someone is going to call me out." There is a recent thread FULL of these claims and yet they still deny that parsers are a detriment to the community. Oh but no WE are the ones ignoring facts... right....

I mean parsers have a small chance at helping a few top competitive guilds defeat a handful of bosses with an even remotely challenging enrage timer sooner than other guilds, so obviously developers around the world should overlook the type of environment they help cause and just allow them everywhere.

[Sebazy]

In which we have this addict level of "I can't live without it" that has produced such a state of mind in these people that you can no longer reason with. Since you constantly see them constantly drag it back to the same vicious cycle that consist of insults and belittlement.

Please quote any example of me using insults and belittlement to further my side of this debate.

I'll be waiting.