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  1. #61
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    ghostx1984's Avatar
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    Auron Belmont
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    Square I can tell you that I am playing on a PS4 but having raided with someone who was using a parser they improved my game immensely. My rotation was improved and having it in raids was a definite advantage. If you arent willing to fix your broken policies then you might as well ban me because im not going to continue playing a game that is so deeply against me playing on a ps4.

    I pushed 350 dps on a BLM and beat out our monk and our dragoon on t6, a fight heavy in movement. You might as well ban me because if you aren't going to fix your double standards then i don't want to play your game. And I can guarantee you if PS4 players cant learn to play their class to the best of their ability they wont stick with your game.

    Do as you please.
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  2. #62
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    Ilitsa Samariya
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostx1984 View Post

    I specifically addressed this topic to square
    Probably a good idea to contact Square directly then, as this is a player forum, you post here to get player responses, never count on an SE rep messaging in your thread, especially one that's been done a dozen times.


    That said, they have given a "definitive" statement, through live letters, the ToS that EVERYONE agrees to follow when making an account and playing THEIR game, and several rep responses in the dozen other "plz make definitive answer for parsers" threads that have come up since beta, how much more definitive can you get than "No. Not allowed."?


    Personally, I despise parsers, I'm not against them being implemented by any means, but I do not think they are good for communities, especially ones that have such a quickly growing negative attitude as this game has, buuuuut that is a conversation for another thread, I won't get into here.

    All in all, a parser would be good for those that want them, I don't see a reason that they shouldn't be around, I do think they need to figure out some way to police the situations it would cause though. (inb4 this filthy ps4 casual hasn't even downed T5 yet, but hey, working on it)
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    Last edited by Ilitsa; 08-12-2014 at 03:48 AM.

  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xandim View Post
    there is no way for them to know you are using one unless they hack into your pc, and thus your privacy, so they aren't crazy enough to do that for a game.
    Actually that's not entirely accurate. There are programs like GameGuard which actively check for programs running against a stored database. It works in much the same way as your standard virus scanner. If parser users keep pressing the issue and ignoring the ToS, SE could very well alter their ToS to require you agree to an additional software download (which will need to be running to launch the client) and bundle the next client update with some sort of anti-cheating software. It's perfectly legal as long as they tell you that they require you to install it.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostx1984 View Post
    ...If you arent willing to fix your broken policies then you might as well ban me because im not going to continue playing a game... ...You might as well ban me because if you aren't going to fix... i don't want to play your game...
    If you are going to quit why would they need to ban you. This whole "do this or I quit" threat is as old as it is annoying. Just quit. I don't really care what they do either way but to go all EMO like this does nothing. Seriously.
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  5. #65
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    Iskandar Emmerich
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    Actually that's not entirely accurate. There are programs like GameGuard which actively check for programs running against a stored database. It works in much the same way as your standard virus scanner. If parser users keep pressing the issue and ignoring the ToS, SE could very well alter their ToS to require you agree to an additional software download (which will need to be running to launch the client) and bundle the next client update with some sort of anti-cheating software. It's perfectly legal as long as they tell you that they require you to install it.
    Even with GG people still use 3rd party programs in other games, its not a failproof system. I guess in the end people will 'cheat' if they really want, xD
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    Iskandar Emmerich - Behemoth Server

  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gextiv View Post
    PS4 is a casual, laid back way to play the game. You'll probably do yourself good by doing this "top level" raiding via PC.

    I recommend OP on building a PC. By building a PC you'll be able to use a parser to aid you in your in devours.
    I know endgame players that use pc with controllers and endgame ps4 users. The limitation is artificially designed by players. The idea the "the best players use pc" is shortsighted and foolish. The only issue ive seen is video lag in Titan Ex with PS3.
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostx1984 View Post
    It seems to me that you aren't doing anything to inhibit pc players from using parsers while at the same time refusing to put a damage meter in the game for PS4 players.
    Square-Enix didn't do this so if you have issues go and take it up with the modding community and they'll tell you exactly why there's no "parser" addon for PS4 players. For PS3 players however...

    Quote Originally Posted by ghostx1984 View Post
    As a PS4 player, I feel like a second class citizen playing ffxiv. I've looked at many top ranked fcs and nearly every one of them requires parses to merely apply. PS4 players can't monitor their dps output to tighten our rotations. In trying to shield newby players from harassment, you are inhibiting ps4 players from being taken seriously.
    You're the one that isn't taking yourself seriously and you're having self imposed low esteem issues because of it. I know a couple of console players doing second coil of bahamut and they looked for a static.

    The issue isn't rotations but "hard core players" associating consist performance with a platform/controller. Console/controllers players will be singled out because the overall impression that those that prefer controllers have reactionary skills imposed by the controller design and console overall latency that associates having monsters appear on screen consistently.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghostx1984 View Post
    Can you please make a definitive statement on where you stand with parsers and what you are doing to stop their use if they are deemed illicit? Because honestly if you were remove every player who used a parser, i'm willing to bet you'd lose all 10 or so of your most bleeding edge raiding fcs.
    There's already a definitive statement in regards to this issue the issue is that you can't accept it or for that matter those using it.

    If you really want to make an argument for Square-Enix to take you and everyone using one seriously then bring up QoL. Since that's exactly what this is about nothing more and nothing less.
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    Last edited by Gormogon; 08-12-2014 at 05:26 AM.

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    Right, I've read the whole thread. Is the OP really complaining that he got turned down by some FCs that require their members to cheat?
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  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaero View Post
    I know endgame players that use pc with controllers and endgame ps4 users. The limitation is artificially designed by players. The idea the "the best players use pc" is shortsighted and foolish. The only issue ive seen is video lag in Titan Ex with PS3.
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    PS3 limitations

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    It's sad that in 2014 we are having this conversation.
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