SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Tashigi]

With the stupid radar app being used in Hunts, it affects the WHOLE community because the Hunt is affecting all aspects of the game.

I'm sorry, but the problem with Hunts isn't Radar.
The problem with Hunts, it's Hunts. They're poorly implemented and should have never, ever made it past any decent level of QA.

[PrimeEvilPanda]

I'm sorry, but the problem with Hunts isn't Radar.
The problem with Hunts, it's Hunts. They're poorly implemented and should have never, ever made it past any decent level of QA.

I was in general speaking about apps and their effect on the community (I did a poor job of it, sorry). In noting, how before, with dps parsers: YES, it was a hot debate in the forums - but within the game (at least in our server), it was kept to the confines of the raid community. Whereas with the radar app used in the Hunt, it had a negative effect on the entire community because it involved casual and hardcore players. I've seen more vitriol slung at people over radar apps than I had dps parsers.

In saying that, that is why I said I should not condone one and bag the other [app] because in essence they both evolve from within the same(?) program.

[Assirra]

seriously i read fun content, a good rl will know when a dps is low, based on gears and the rotation they do.
anyway, any program outside the game that help you in anyway, are forbidden that said, you use them at your risk and if you think SE will not banned people using parseer... you don't know them, they can and will probably do it.

They cannot because they cannot detect it without messing in your PC.
People seem to think that a parser does anything with the files you get and modifies them but this completely wrong.
All a parser is is a calculator that reads log files from your local PC. For square to detect you are using one they would have to access your computer or at least see what are you else running in the background which is a lot more illigal then using parsers to begin with.

[Tashigi]

Whereas with the radar app used in the Hunt, it had a negative effect on the entire community because it involved casual and hardcore players. I've seen more vitriol slung at people over radar apps than I had dps parsers.

This was not the program's fault, though.
The playerbase has been greatly misinformed about these plugins, particularly the Radar plugin, which is actually quite limited. So limited, that it's a lot better/easier to look for Hunt targets the old fashion way; by panning your camera.
You should look it up and read about it's functions and limits and you'll understand, too.
Why the playerbase has exaggerated and blown these things out of proportion, well, I can't answer that without laughing. It's just silly how many of these threads we seem to get a day/week.

[Kaethra]

So with this thread at 29 pages I have to ask, and sort of reiterate...

You all who're excited to see the death of those elitist DPS-checkers know that this 'definitive statement' on parsers has been the case for over eight months now, right?

It's not news that it's against TOS, and it was being banned for a long time before the week this thread was made. A long time.

Did you report the DPS parsing threads I linked? If you didn't/don't then it means you don't even believe what you just said.

Here, I'll relink them for you:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Temple-Reborn
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...age-Calculator

Go for it. Report them. Show us the good fight against DPS parsers. Fire the first shot if you dare. Again, I'm calling everyone's bluff.

[Gormogon]

You all who're excited to see the death of those elitist DPS-checkers

This is a thread. A discussion is in place. Throwing a silly report tantrum doesn't solve the issue and it never will a new thread will just be made.

The only thing that amazes me is that no pro parser person can ever explain why it isn't anything else outside a quality of life thing. All that it ever bring is claims that it is good but never why. Since in a static someone's gonna know when someone is under performing easily. A skill tank can see when another tank is doing something wrong because he tanks. A skilled healer will realize when another healer under performs. Dps will notice the lack of someone else's dps.

You can solo queue for Syrcus Tower and literally see all the bad that happens within moments.

[Kaethra]

The only thing that amazes me is that no pro parser person can ever explain why it isn't anything else outside a quality of life thing. All that it ever bring is claims that it is good but never why.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Temple-Reborn
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...age-Calculator

Read those threads. Parses allowed them to exist. Parses allowed them to see the benefit of Attributes vs Determination and other stats. If anyone wishes to see the downfall of parsers, threads like those should be their first target.

I'm seriously making this easy for anyone who is anti-parsing to see the end of Parsers if they are actually in the right. But the funny thing is they either lack the conviction or lack the confidence in their own argument to see it through. Again.. bluffing.

[MeiUshu]

And I personally wouldn't want to raid with someone who is willing to be ignorant to the glaring fact that no matter how well you dodge/perform, if your DPS isn't high enough to meet the check point (enrage timer), your ship isn't sailing.
In the event that your DPS is too low for a fight that needs to be completed in a set amount of time, then it becomes your primary reason for wiping; in other words, it's value jumps to being the #1 priority and it become everything that's needed to complete your duty.

to know what you claim, you definitly dont need any parsers, unless you really are dumb. If your group keeps dying because DPS fail to get rid of mobs in time, well chances are that dps arent good enough right ?...nothing justifies to demean people just because they are not up to your standards for whatever the reasons. In essence, I have nothing against parsers but unfortunately, the use of it is what is the problem and why they must and thankfully are forbidden. The reason is called : Immaturity.

Mei

[Gormogon]

Read those threads. Parses allowed them to exist. Parses allowed them to see the benefit of Attributes vs Determination and other stats. If anyone wishes to see the downfall of parsers, threads like those should be their first target.

So you're telling me that elementary and common sense isn't a thing because parsers?

It doesn't take a rocket science to figure out what these things do. Stats and attributes have been a thing since DnD and rotations have existed long before FFXIV. Sure some people will be new to the concept. I honestly don't see what point you trying to make outside of it being a quality of life tool because that's all it is at it's most minimum usage. On its day to day use it's nothing more than an unhealthy tool used for harassment or competitive annoyance.

[Sebazy]

Thing is all that is subjective and everything that can be achieved can be done without the use of a parser.

I still stand by my verdict that SMN is nigh impossible to truly optimise without a parser, contagion vs ifrit's extra damage, is shadow flare useful? Should I ever bother with Miasma II? Due to how dot damage is displayed in such an overly simplistic manner in game, it is only possible to find out these kind of answers through the direct or indirect use of parsers. In short, not all rotations are self explanatory.

And just to reiterate, sorry but you are wrong, there's just no way to sugar coat it. Savage coil isn't possible without the use of a parser to get everyone to the performance level the content requires. The vast majority of T9 clears will have either run a parser themselves or used strategies that were devised off the back of parser data even if they don't quite know it.

I know for some players it's some quality of life thing yet overall it's a tool that is mainly gonna be used to abuse it's purpose by singling out players based on a 1 time performance regardless of gear and skill.

And I think you are overblowing the risks of that actually happening, it's been demonstrated repeatedly that SE take inter player abuse very seriously, far more so than is usually the case in an mmo. As long as that continued to be the case then you need not worry. I'd be more concerned about the inevitable rise of the '400DEEPS OR KICK - Garuda EX' party finders myself