Was Coil 2 and Ramuh extreme over tune?

[Ooshima]

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This guy knows what he's saying.

I could bring every of my non main jobs to all the non-coil fights fine, but whether I could play them well in coil that's another story.

[Kitano123]

What this game needs is normal/hardmode versions of raids ala WoW to bridge the gap between casual and hardcore players allowing everyone to progress on new content. As it stands, most of the casual players I know still havent downed T5, never mind T6 and I cant see that changing soon. A lot of players are getting left behind with each content patch which is very frustrating for them.

Another aspect that would relieve the casual/hardcore divide would be coil lockouts effecting a players class rather than character as the convenience of multi-class characters is nullified for anyone who wants to raid. This would allow skilled players to help out the more casual players and give a better sense of community in FC's that are basically split into two groups; the casual players and those who are part of the static. Of course looting would have to change so that you could only roll on items for that class, but I think the trade off would be worth it.

[Ashkendor]

I have issues clearing T5. Not because I'm bad at it, but because I don't have the luxury of a static party filled with competent people. Competent statics can clear just about any kind of content this game has to offer without difficulty. The trouble with static groups, however, is that many of them have a very low patience threshold and an even shorter temper, which is not at all fun to deal with.

Maybe I'm just too much of a casual, but I'm not yet willing to sacrifice fun and enjoyment for progression in this game yet.

I was stuck on T5 for the longest time for the same reason. We'd put up Party Finder party asking for people to know up through twisters. At the first set of divebombs, someone gets half the party killed. EVERY. DAMN. TIME. 50/50 even money that they blame lag. Three wipes later, someone ragequits and you start the cycle over again. It took me meeting some people that were interested in me and a friend for a T6 static (they needed tanks and were willing to help us with the T5 clear in order to get them) before I was able to finish it.

[mDaWg]

I have issues clearing T5. Not because I'm bad at it, but because I don't have the luxury of a static party filled with competent people. Competent statics can clear just about any kind of content this game has to offer without difficulty. The trouble with static groups, however, is that many of them have a very low patience threshold and an even shorter temper, which is not at all fun to deal with.

Maybe I'm just too much of a casual, but I'm not yet willing to sacrifice fun and enjoyment for progression in this game yet.

It sounds more like you have social issues more than anything else. At any given time of any given day, I can call upon 7 others with ease to help me do T5, Moogle Ex, Ramuh Ex, or anything other than second coil that is on lockout. Hell, I can shout in Mor Dhona at any given time for selling runs with nobody in my party, wait for someone to bite, then throw a group of me and 6 others to carry people through this content. This is because I've built up my own social network of friends from all different free companies that have the skill to complete content as listed above. It is not mine or anyone else's fault that you are not able to make friends that are actually decent at this game. You absolutely don't need any sort of static for content that is not on lockout and can only be played once per week.

Tell me more about how you one shot SCoB on release day and didn't wait for other people to post the strategies for you.

Never once told you I one shotted SCoB on release day, but we were "server 3rd" (Excalibur - Yes the one with BG) for pretty much everything... not that server 3rd is anything to be proud of, but we completed EVERYTHING up to dive bombs of T9 without a single bit of help from anyone or their videos. You don't know me or who I roll with, so think before you make random judgments with no evidence.

[Yoninxi]

lol

Same rewards for less work ? Absolutely not. I don't like this sentiment floating around here that casual players are brain dead and can't clear content the way it was intended. Im casual, yet i have all primal wins and am working trough SCoB. Its not being casual is the problem, its bad players not admitting that they suck and crying for nerfs.

[mDaWg]

Same rewards for less work ? Absolutely not. I don't like this sentiment floating around here that casual players are brain dead and can't clear content the way it was intended. Im casual, yet i have all primal wins and am working trough SCoB. Its not being casual is the problem, its bad players not admitting that they suck and crying for nerfs.

You my friend, have made the best post in this thread yet. Thank you very much. Thumbs up to you.


Also, to all the haters of hard content... these fights are absolutely tuned properly.. some of new coil even being a little too easy, and so is savage. Savage is proof that the developers can make difficult yet possible content that they can't even clear themselves yet isn't over the top impossible. In my opinions, Savage T6 is a hell of alot of fun and an awesome challenge at the same time... just watch videos of people who know what they're doing and maybe you'll learn something about how to be a good player. *cough cough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUDzBQ4ynqg cough cough* Savage T7 is a nightmare but also a great challenge. I'm looking forward to taking that melusine biotch down and regardless of if it's just for a title and alot more work, I'll be damn excited to do so.

[Alise]

Gear upgrade actually only matter when people already push DPS to the max possible. In reality, if people don't learn and polite rotation first, then full equip lv 110 player still lose to a pro lv 90 anyway.

The different is huge and very easy to noticable in T9 because players generally have similar gear, when some PF can easily beat 1 add timer check, while another PF require 2 add timer check. The different is like... one party dealing double damage than another party.

[mDaWg]

Gear upgrade actually only matter when people already push DPS to the max possible. In reality, if people don't learn and polite rotation first, then full equip lv 110 player still lose to a pro lv 90 anyway.

The different is huge and very easy to noticable in T9 because players generally have similar gear, when some PF can easily beat 1 add timer check, while another PF require 2 add timer check. The different is like... one party dealing double damage than another party.

I'm pretty sure that somewhere at somepoint either a dev or yoshi himself said that bad player skill negates about 20 iLvs worth of gear. This is absolutely 100% true. I have done more damage on my brd alt at i90 in a pug with another BRD at i105 thanks to soldiery/hunts/CT that did almost twice as less damage as myself. Pretty pathetic and inexcusable if you ask me. Everyone wants to yell at tanks and healers for being bad because you don't need to look at the fine details to see they're clearly not healing or not using cooldowns or moving bosses to incorrect locations, while everyone seems to think DPS is just DPS and if you just hit buttons you're doing your job. Not even close to true.

My absolute favorite is black mages who love Fire III > Blizzard III > Fire III > Blizzard III > Fire III > Blizzard III and think that because they're using their highest potency abilities and casting them faster than anything else back to back they MUST be doing massive deeps.

[lulublululu]

It sounds more like you have social issues more than anything else. At any given time of any given day, I can call upon 7 others with ease to help me do T5, Moogle Ex, Ramuh Ex, or anything other than second coil that is on lockout. Hell, I can shout in Mor Dhona at any given time for selling runs with nobody in my party, wait for someone to bite, then throw a group of me and 6 others to carry people through this content. This is because I've built up my own social network of friends from all different free companies that have the skill to complete content as listed above. It is not mine or anyone else's fault that you are not able to make friends that are actually decent at this game. You absolutely don't need any sort of static for content that is not on lockout and can only be played once per week.

This hostility is exemplary of the exact social situation you insist doesn't exist.

[Krr]

It sounds more like you have social issues more than anything else.

I appreciate your gutso, but "I play in an FC that gets server-third clears" tells me you are about as experienced with being a pubbie at rock-bottom trying to get seen as a wall street banker is with factory work.

Here's a piece of reality: You can't 'network' with those good players who only do the content you're on as favors for prestige or mass amounts of gil.

Maybe instead of talking down to players you don't know, you could instead help them? And I mean actually help them in material ways, not offer half-winded 'advice' that doesn't require you to lift a finger.