SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Kyroc]

Just because they are against the ToS does not mean they are cheating

[Elven]

Just because they are against the ToS does not mean they are cheating

Of course not but SE clearly want those other apps off the table not necessarily parsers. It's just a shame that parsers fit in SE's ban for people that like to use them. Nothing about the use of them when you get to the crux of the argument they're not allowed bottom line.

[Krr]

Of course not but SE clearly want those other apps off the table not necessarily parsers. It's just a shame that parsers fit in SE's ban for people that like to use them. Nothing about the use of them when you get to the crux of the argument they're not allowed bottom line.

There's been a lot of off-the-record remarks over the past year about parser use that generally implies the only reason they're against the ToS is because it's costly to write an exception in the legalese, and that "parsers are illegal" is useful as a catch-all way to weed the community of players who use them in a socially-abusive fashion.

There are also dangers affiliated with third-party tools and it would be legally difficult to endorse certain tools 'officially' as ones you could use or that are safe, and it could result in exploitative behavior by any third-party tool creators who got this privilege.

It's similar to how, say, PSO2 says "No American players" in their TOS, but you can relatively freely and safely play in American server communities and pretty freely speak English as long as you aren't disrupting or abusive to the JP players. It's a quick corporate way to remove troublesome folks with minimal due process.

Of course, you should not use a third-party parser. It's against the TOS.

[Elven]

Of course, you should not use a third-party parser. It's against the TOS.

You know what annoys me more? It's my unfair view of summoners and how I think they have the lowest dps and that they're entirely situational. I main a Bard and they can literally do everything it comes with a high cost and that is they're instant hate magnets no tank can touch. But I've come to accept that about my chosen class but back to smn imagine if I was a parser user with that mindset you can see now why I personally don't like them.

[Danbo05]

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You're clearly playing summoner wrong then or don't understand how Summoners work, because Summoners can easily put out the most DPS in most situations, although its really close between Monk and Summoner, with Dragoon not too far behind. Only time Monks would deal more DPS than Summoners are in fights where the boss is a striking dummy (see turn 8), other than that, they're tied with Dragoons in situations where they constantly lose their stacks. If you're using the enmity bar to judge DPS, please keep in mind, around a 1/3 of a Summoner's enmity is coming from their pet. Also, Bards do the least amount of DPS. Burst DPS wise, they may be up there, but as a fight progresses and a Monk and Dragoon finishes their rotation, Bard falls to last on the DPS chart (this is assuming the party consists of people who are equally geared and equally skilled).

[Elven]

You're clearly playing summoner wrong then or don't understand how Summoners work, because Summoners can easily put out the most DPS in most situations, although its really close between Monk and Summoner, with Dragoon not too far behind. Only time Monks would deal more DPS than Summoners are in fights where the boss is a striking dummy (see turn 8), other than that, they're tied with Dragoons in situations where they constantly lose their stacks. If you're using the enmity bar to judge DPS, please keep in mind, around a 1/3 of a Summoner's enmity is coming from their pet. Also, Bards do the least amount of DPS. Burst DPS wise, they may be up there, but as a fight progresses and a Monk and Dragoon finishes their rotation, Bard falls to last on the DPS chart (this is assuming the party consists of people who are equally geared and equally skilled).

You clearly missed the point of the post

[Renault]

You need parsers for a game that requires any sort of tight dps check.
Because you need data.
Because you need to maximize dps.
GW2 for example, did not need a parser.
This game does.

K.

[Reynhart]

"Requires", no less ?!
You realize a lot of people manage to play without using a parser, right ?

[Appleh4x]

"Requires", no less ?!
You realize a lot of people manage to play without using a parser, right ?

Yeah, and you realize that a lot of people (like yourself) don't do endgame raiding that has DPS checks too, right? If the game didn't have strict DPS checks people wouldn't use a parser, but it does, you just don't know about them.

[Amberyl]

It's similar to how, say, PSO2 says "No American players" in their TOS, but you can relatively freely and safely play in American server communities and pretty freely speak English as long as you aren't disrupting or abusive to the JP players. It's a quick corporate way to remove troublesome folks with minimal due process.

Not true at all. The only reason they don't enforce the ban as strictly now, is because PSO2 is a FTP game and the majority of western players connect via VPN, so can't be easily ip blocked. It was heavily enforced during earlier stages of the game, when the western portal was still on the cards, and the out-of-TOS population was smaller. It's also the reason you can't buy Arks Cash with western credit cards.

Not a relevant comparison at all.