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    Your entire post is irrelevant because you cannot have 32 det while maintaining 46 spell speed on the High Allagan. The current stat on the HA Staff is as ideal as it can get for us and I am simply disagreeing with "It would also be desirable for HA Staff to have det instead of crit, but we don't get a choice on that. lol" I just cannot see 32 crit ever losing to 23 determination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uninstall View Post
    Your entire post is irrelevant because you cannot have 32 det while maintaining 46 spell speed on the High Allagan. The current stat on the HA Staff is as ideal as it can get for us and I am simply disagreeing with "It would also be desirable for HA Staff to have det instead of crit, but we don't get a choice on that. lol" I just cannot see 32 crit ever losing to 23 determination.
    My statement was supposed to be understood in the context of having the same value of DET as you have CRIT. Of course if you drop the DET as usually happens then CRIT wins. I was remarking that if you could keep the same stat numbers then a DET HA Staff would be preferred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uninstall View Post
    Your entire post is irrelevant because you cannot have 32 det while maintaining 46 spell speed on the High Allagan. The current stat on the HA Staff is as ideal as it can get for us and I am simply disagreeing with "It would also be desirable for HA Staff to have det instead of crit, but we don't get a choice on that. lol" I just cannot see 32 crit ever losing to 23 determination.
    My entire post is irrelevant when I show that DET > Crit despite you arguing Crit > Det?

    Also, my hypothetical situation I stated was, very clearly, if we could make the choice the same as we can on Novus, we would rather have DET+SS than the CRIT+SS that's on HA. You're the one making asinine, irrelevant changes to what was said to try and prove you're right.
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    I argued 32 crit is better than 23 determination because that's what you can have on a High Allagan weapon. For a normal weighted weapon, like every single piece of equipment sans the Novus, crit > det and that's exactly why HA's stats are ideal for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uninstall View Post
    I argued 32 crit is better than 23 determination because that's what you can have on a High Allagan weapon. For a normal weighted weapon, like every single piece of equipment sans the Novus, crit > det and that's exactly why HA's stats are ideal for us.
    No, you argued that 32 Crit is better than 32 Determination, because that's what I said we would -rather- have on the HA Staff if we had the choice. No one ever said anything about 23 determination. That's your own little delusion because you can't admit you were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YanderePrincess View Post
    No, you argued that 32 Crit is better than 32 Determination, because that's what I said we would -rather- have on the HA Staff if we had the choice. No one ever said anything about 23 determination. That's your own little delusion because you can't admit you were wrong.
    You never said 32 det either. Why would anyone assume it would be 32 det when that's not even possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uninstall View Post
    You never said 32 det either. Why would anyone assume it would be 32 det when that's not even possible?
    Because if you'd bothered to read our discussion we were talking hypothetical stats on the HA Staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numenor1379 View Post
    Because if you'd bothered to read our discussion we were talking hypothetical stats on the HA Staff.
    No shit, are you saying 23 det on HA staff isn't within the realm of hypothetical discussion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uninstall View Post
    No shit, are you saying 23 det on HA staff isn't within the realm of hypothetical discussion?
    No it's not. Because as you have said, given the normal weighting of stat values you could never have 32 DET while keeping 46 SSPD. This entire time you have been ignoring the little fact that we were discussing what stats would be preferred if the HA Staff was treated the same as the Novus. So here is what we have been saying in language even you can understand.

    If the HA Staff was treated the same as the Novus Staff with regards to the stat weight of DET (and therefore did not have it's total number of stat points reduced because of a high DET number) then the prefered stats on the HA Staff would be DET and SSPD.
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    Never once did you ever mention whether the HA will be treated the same as the Novus.
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