So resetting's against the rules now?

[Thayos]

This whole concept of "everyone wait until everyone is here" is something the community created itself and it is not a rule or law that everyone should follow.

So the majority comes up with a collaborative, less-stressful way for ANYONE to benefit from the hunt system despite SE's flawed implementation -- thus reducing server-wide frustrations surrounding the hunts -- yet people should rebel against this?

Seriously, can you think of how much more toxic hunts would be if most people doing them weren't working together? Yikes...

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

FYI I've talked to a few Hyperion Gms and they dont share the views of the GM who posted here recently. So if the Gms arent even on a united opinion its sad that one GMs opinion will get most of us scared and should follow.

[Thayos]

So if the Gms arent even on a united opinion its sad that one GMs opinion will get most of us scared and should follow.

Well even the GM here says it's a gray area. The only thing clear is that resetting can be reported as a grief tactic, but that doesn't mean it is. It's situational. The GM in this thread even said there are instances when pulling could be considered as griefing.

The term "griefing" is so silly in this conversation, anyway, since most of the people who pull early (thus causing resets) aren't the soloers and duoers who are making so much noise in this thread. Most early pullers are in full parties, and they'll get full credit no matter when the mob is pulled.

IMO, there's a HUGE difference between the soloer who pulls a mob he finds vs. a regular troll who roams around with hunt parties and pulls as early as possible, all the time, just to piss people off.

Seriously, if the only problem were soloers and small groups, then this wouldn't even be an issue seeing as how the vast majority of A ranks are found by hunt linkshells and parties, not random people.

[Bixby]

FYI I've talked to a few Hyperion Gms and they dont share the views of the GM who posted here recently. So if the Gms arent even on a united opinion its sad that one GMs opinion will get most of us scared and should follow.

It's almost always like that when GMs are dealing with a new* issue. They tend to not come up with company policy preemptively. It takes a little while for the policy to solidify, and then a little while more for it to make it through to every GM. Even then, human nature is what it is.

*And not, like, internet new, either. Old farm guy who only gets to town and reads the newspaper once a month new.

[Enkrateia]

FYI I've talked to a few Hyperion Gms and they dont share the views of the GM who posted here recently. So if the Gms arent even on a united opinion its sad that one GMs opinion will get most of us scared and should follow.

GMs are region specific, not server specific. To ensure the customer service is best handled in a supported language or to best escalate account based issues, each region tends to handle their own customers. However, since a customer from any region may play on any server, GMs from any region must be able to access all servers at all times. Because of that, policies are discussed between regions to ensure all customers are treated equally.

LGM Enkrateia

[KahnyaRedx]

FYI I've talked to a few Hyperion Gms and they dont share the views of the GM who posted here recently. So if the Gms arent even on a united opinion its sad that one GMs opinion will get most of us scared and should follow.

I don't think it's about a "united" opinion. The tactic is considered what it is, end of story. Don't reset mobs, and you don't have to worry about it. The GM in this thread is not attempting to scare people, they are sharing how a GM has to go about looking at and investigating the situation. Everything this GM has said has been supported by every GM I have spoken to in regards to resetting a hunt mob.

[Mcshiggs]

And pulling early could cause 50 people to lose credit as well. It was the opinion of this GM that the act of early pulling is not disruption, but since the ToS are not clearly defined I see it as more disruptive to deny 50 people mark points than 5 people mark points. This is my interpretation and there is no reason for it to be any less valid than your interpretation. 50 GM reports for harassment > 5 reports

By doing what you call pulling early, sure some people won't get rewards, but they aren't loosing any credit, because they weren't there to earn any. Resetting actually resets the credit on an enemy people have been attacking, so that is them loosing credit, that is the difference, one is taking away something someone has already earned, the other is people just not being there to earn it. So if you take your thoughts that to an extreme, anyone that is offline could say you griefed them if you killed a mark, because you should have waited for when they logged on to kill it so they could get credit too. If your boss shorts you on your pay at work you get mad, because you earned it, but if you don't show up a day, you don't demand pay for the day because you weren't there to earn it.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

GMs are region specific, not server specific. To ensure the customer service is best handled in a supported language or to best escalate account based issues, each region tends to handle their own customers. However, since a customer from any region may play on any server, GMs from any region must be able to access all servers at all times. Because of that, policies are discussed between regions to ensure all customers are treated equally.

LGM Enkrateia

Sounds like this will be discussed at the next GM briefing 8-)

Side note, going these in the evenings, last night after 2 hrs I got 45 seals. Just now on lunch, I killed Ovjang, Maahes, Phecda, Skogs Fru, and the Bat in Lower la Nos (name isn't coming to mind) that was all in under 30 minutes. Skogs Fru was still my weekly, everyone waited, including shouts "Anyone else still on the way?" and everyone go full credit. 5, 20, 5, 5, 5 (+20). 60 allied seals in 30 minutes coz people co-operated.

COMMUNIST!!!!!!

#Winning.

[Thayos]

60 allied seals in 30 minutes coz people co-operated.

COMMUNIST!!!!!!

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

The idea of people helping eachother and waiting on a mob and even resetting it so more people can gain access to the fun and endgame stuff is far more reasonable and noble than this pull early its your mob go for it mentality thats promoted here.
I'm not saying you should wait 5 minutes on a mob but if you know people are running there is no need to be selfish give it another 30 seconds someone else might do the same for you another day.