1.17 > 1.18 = 3+ months. 1.18 > 1.19 = ???

[Starlord]

The game has been out for 9 months. Yoshi has been on the team for about 7. 7 months is more than enough time to see at least the beginning of major overhauls. Not 7 months and 22 days later, but within those 7 months, there has been enough time to get this started earlier than now.

That's not being cynical, that's being realistic. I'm not saying SE is being lazy. I'm saying they're either understaffed or have a bottleneck problem somewhere in the development process, or they are trying to take on too much at once.

And you're on the dev team and know more, right? Didn't think so.

Some people don't know how to define "Realism" and Realism is an "Opinionated" word people define that in many ways depending on the circumstances.

[Shipp]

Some people don't know how to define "Realism" and Realism is an "Opinionated" word people define that in many ways depending on the circumstances.

Tell me, are you a programmer? Does your boss allow you nearly a month of pushbacks? Didn't think so.

I love the SE defenders. It's fine for them to mindlessly bash SE, however when people bring up valid points that substantial work could have been released before 7 months, they get their white-knight suit.

I know the definition of realistic, thanks. Is it realistic to compare the new dev team to other MMOs? Yes, because as was stated previously, this is capitalism. SE decided to ship the game, and now they're hurting because of it. Is that unfair for the new people? Of course, but this is a game that is still on shelves, people picking this up and not staying up to date on this game don't care about the woes of SE. They care that Rift/WoW/anything is far superior at this time, and that is where they're going to go.

[Starlord]

Tell me, are you a programmer? Does your boss allow you nearly a month of pushbacks? Didn't think so.

I love the SE defenders. It's fine for them to mindlessly bash SE, however when people bring up valid points that substantial work could have been released before 7 months, they get their white-knight suit.

I know the definition of realistic, thanks. Is it realistic to compare the new dev team to other MMOs? Yes, because as was stated previously, this is capitalism. SE decided to ship the game, and now they're hurting because of it. Is that unfair for the new people? Of course, but this is a game that is still on shelves, people picking this up and not staying up to date on this game don't care about the woes of SE. They care that Rift/WoW/anything is far superior at this time, and that is where they're going to go.

You sure do blab on and on about stuff you don't know Don't ya /wave to the troll =)

Edit: Also what does any of that have to do with the word "Realism" like Brucey said.. " Quoting stuff Out of Context to what your saying"

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

You sure do blab on and on about stuff you don't know Don't ya /wave to the troll =)

Edit: Also what does any of that have to do with the word "Realism" like Brucey said.. " Quoting stuff Out of Context to what your saying"

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

[Jennestia]

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

I knew the name was familiar but couldn't place it.

[Starlord]

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

Lol he's not Manipulating me=). I just find the whole thing funny that he pretends to know stuff when he doesn't see the simple true facts.. " I bet you he's going to say, Enlighten me what is this true fact" lolzThe fact is EVERYONE is Content hungry.. We all can agree on that... =)

[Shipp]

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

Oh, really? What's your name on Eorzeapedia then?

What manipulation tactics have I thrown around? Or do you just like to use buzzwords to sound as though you're speaking the truth?

I didn't quote anyone out of context. Quoting one line from somebody's post and responding to that one line is not quoting out of context. Like most people who use that excuse, you don't know what quoting out of context means.

This would be quoting out of context:

I knew the place.

From Jennestia. THAT is quoting out of context. It completely loses its meaning. Quoting a statement in its entirety and responding is not out of context.

Lol he's not Manipulating me=). I just find the whole thing funny that he pretends to know stuff when he doesn't see the simple true facts.. " I bet you he's going to say, Enlighten me what is this true fact" lolzThe fact is EVERYONE is Content hungry.. We all can agree on that... =)

I don't pretend to know things I don't. I see a lot of pretending from people who have not acknowledged whether they are programmers (I take this as a big no) that they know the inner workings of the dev team more than anyone else, simply because they're defending them.

Also, you can quit putting words in my mouth. Or you can just troll, either way.

But frankly it was more to do with your statement limiting their development to few features currently being implemented. Of course if they were to only develop basic AA and shake up enmity it wouldn't take this long.

Gotcha. I know they're implementing more than just the battle changes, but those are specifically what I was referring to when making the comment, "It could have been done by now." With everything together, no, you're right. But that kind of goes against what Yoshi said in that quote. I just think that they are understaffed and bit off more than they could chew at once, or like you said, their QA is too small.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I didn't quote anyone out of context. Quoting one line from somebody's post and responding to that one line is not quoting out of context. Like most people who use that excuse, you don't know what quoting out of context means.

Actually, you do. Constantly. Also, I'm listing things that community does know.

New direction of development started in Jan: Fact
MMOs generally have their content lined up as much as 1 year in advance: Fact

Applying what people generally know to the argument that SE's pace of development is slow is unfair given the circumstances. While you on the other hand take this point and snip out parts of my posts and others posts and throw the debate off track.

I don't know any more information than you do, yet you still seem to think you have a superior argument. When I'm basing my judgement on actual facts and not guessing loosely and basing my knowledge off programming I perform for small time flash games. :P

Bye bye.

[Shipp]

Actually, you do. Constantly. Also, I'm listing things that community does know.

Actually, I don't. Ever. Show me where I quoted out of context, I assure you, it was not done on purpose if it even happened at all.

New direction of development started in Jan: Fact
MMOs generally have their content lined up as much as 1 year in advance: Fact

Fact: This doesn't matter to the general population.
Fact: This doesn't matter to the majority of MMO players.

I know we all want this game to succeed, but take off the fanboy glasses for just a second and look at this from a regular MMO player's PoV. Take any MMO you have been interested in and then quit because you didn't like it. Did you keep up with the dev cycle after you found out you didn't like it? Probably not, because it was a passing interest. We are all FF fans here, obviously we view FF differently. Think of those people who tried it and did not like it that were possibly going to becoming FF fans from this title and saw what a mess it was in and gave up. Hell, look at all of the actual FF fans who have given up.

THIS is what I'm talking about. I even stated, you are correct in one thing, and that is that it's not really comparable to other MMO dev teams. However that is what happens once you release a game, no matter how many overhauls have to be redone.

I have not bashed the SE devs at all. Listing potential problems that are easy to slip into != bashing. As the OP has stated, QA could be bottlenecking the patches.

Has Yoshi-P taken a great undertaking here? Yes. However people really need to stop with claiming the whole team got switched. It did not. For the most part, the devs now are the same ones that programmed what we got on launch, they're just under a new director, so the argument that they might not be familiar with another person's code doesn't hold much weight.

There have been legitimate delays, such as the natural disaster, but they were back working in about a week or two. I am not saying that they should have been, I'm just repeating what we were told at the time.

Applying what people generally know to the argument that SE's pace of development is slow is unfair given the circumstances. While you on the other hand take this point and snip out parts of my posts and others posts and throw the debate off track.

You can claim it's unfair until your tongue falls out, and you'd be half-right. SE dug themselves the hole, only they are to blame for the state of the game. Yes, Yoshi-P is trying to fix it, but for probably the majority of MMO players, this game was a flop and they moved on to other things. If this game doesn't shape up substantially by SWTOR, Tera, GW2, this game might as well just be shelved. That's not being cynical, that's being realistic.

I don't know any more information than you do, yet you still seem to think you have a superior argument. When I'm basing my judgement on actual facts and not guessing loosely and basing my knowledge off programming I perform for small time flash games. :P

No, I don't seem to think I have a superior argument. I think I see a lot of people on here who are making excuses for SE, and that is what led us to this place in the beginning. "Oh it's just Beta, last week of Beta will introduce all the content." "Oh it's still just the Beta, it'll introduce all of the content when it's launched." "Oh, it's still just launch week, they'll introduce all of the content when the standard edition comes." "Oh, they're probably working hard, they'll introduce new content in the first patch."

Repeat that over and over and over. Yes, if you want to claim I argue on Eorzeapedia until I'm blue in the face, it's from THAT time period that I constantly argued with people. Justifying fatigue as a way to help casuals keep up with hardcores when it's actually just the opposite, and was explained several times to people that still didn't get it, and still don't, is irritating. Just like certain people on this site who can't see the complete irony in telling someone that they're wrong, and then claiming, "No one but the devs know!"

I check Eorzeapedia about 3 times a week now. There's rarely even any posts on the site to argue with. Or maybe you were one of the people who flocked to the site during the beta key giveaway when I expressed my opinion on giving keys to people who strictly signed up for keys vs members who had actually participated on the site for much longer, thus were 100% going to stay around after it was over. Don't know, don't care, to be frank. This game isn't going to survive on the fantasy of its minute playerbase's warped sense of how the world works. If that means voicing my concerns and opinion and it clashes with yours, then so be it. I don't log on forums to make friends. I log on forums to find out what is changing and putting my input in, just like everyone else around here.