1.17 > 1.18 = 3+ months. 1.18 > 1.19 = ???

[Shipp]

Said players just aren't trying to be constantly cynical. You can't realistically judge a new team on stuff the old team did, especially when we actually haven't seen all that the new team have done yet. It's like you placing the blame on the poor intern who has to clean up the mess of the guy that got fired.

People really expect things to be done on a day by day basis, which is quite sad. Redoing a game from the foundation and up is years work no matter what company you work at, but of course the cynics would never believe that. So it's not certain players that give "leeway", it's just some people actually realize and understand things take a long time.

The game has been out for 9 months. Yoshi has been on the team for about 7. 7 months is more than enough time to see at least the beginning of major overhauls. Not 7 months and 22 days later, but within those 7 months, there has been enough time to get this started earlier than now.

That's not being cynical, that's being realistic. I'm not saying SE is being lazy. I'm saying they're either understaffed or have a bottleneck problem somewhere in the development process, or they are trying to take on too much at once.

Shipp, you have no flipping clue the exact time of planning, developing, and implementing development for any game.

And you're on the dev team and know more, right? Didn't think so.

[Starlord]

The game has been out for 9 months. Yoshi has been on the team for about 7. 7 months is more than enough time to see at least the beginning of major overhauls. Not 7 months and 22 days later, but within those 7 months, there has been enough time to get this started earlier than now.

That's not being cynical, that's being realistic. I'm not saying SE is being lazy. I'm saying they're either understaffed or have a bottleneck problem somewhere in the development process, or they are trying to take on too much at once.

And you're on the dev team and know more, right? Didn't think so.

Some people don't know how to define "Realism" and Realism is an "Opinionated" word people define that in many ways depending on the circumstances.

[Shipp]

Some people don't know how to define "Realism" and Realism is an "Opinionated" word people define that in many ways depending on the circumstances.

Tell me, are you a programmer? Does your boss allow you nearly a month of pushbacks? Didn't think so.

I love the SE defenders. It's fine for them to mindlessly bash SE, however when people bring up valid points that substantial work could have been released before 7 months, they get their white-knight suit.

I know the definition of realistic, thanks. Is it realistic to compare the new dev team to other MMOs? Yes, because as was stated previously, this is capitalism. SE decided to ship the game, and now they're hurting because of it. Is that unfair for the new people? Of course, but this is a game that is still on shelves, people picking this up and not staying up to date on this game don't care about the woes of SE. They care that Rift/WoW/anything is far superior at this time, and that is where they're going to go.

[Starlord]

Tell me, are you a programmer? Does your boss allow you nearly a month of pushbacks? Didn't think so.

I love the SE defenders. It's fine for them to mindlessly bash SE, however when people bring up valid points that substantial work could have been released before 7 months, they get their white-knight suit.

I know the definition of realistic, thanks. Is it realistic to compare the new dev team to other MMOs? Yes, because as was stated previously, this is capitalism. SE decided to ship the game, and now they're hurting because of it. Is that unfair for the new people? Of course, but this is a game that is still on shelves, people picking this up and not staying up to date on this game don't care about the woes of SE. They care that Rift/WoW/anything is far superior at this time, and that is where they're going to go.

You sure do blab on and on about stuff you don't know Don't ya /wave to the troll =)

Edit: Also what does any of that have to do with the word "Realism" like Brucey said.. " Quoting stuff Out of Context to what your saying"

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

You sure do blab on and on about stuff you don't know Don't ya /wave to the troll =)

Edit: Also what does any of that have to do with the word "Realism" like Brucey said.. " Quoting stuff Out of Context to what your saying"

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

[Jennestia]

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

I knew the name was familiar but couldn't place it.

[Starlord]

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

Lol he's not Manipulating me=). I just find the whole thing funny that he pretends to know stuff when he doesn't see the simple true facts.. " I bet you he's going to say, Enlighten me what is this true fact" lolzThe fact is EVERYONE is Content hungry.. We all can agree on that... =)

[Shipp]

This is what he does. Same as Eorzeapedia. He'll irrationally argue til he is blue in the face and constantly resorts to manipulation tactics and quoting others out of context to fit his argument. It's fine though, really. Gives me someone to play with on this god awfully boring Sunday.

Oh, really? What's your name on Eorzeapedia then?

What manipulation tactics have I thrown around? Or do you just like to use buzzwords to sound as though you're speaking the truth?

I didn't quote anyone out of context. Quoting one line from somebody's post and responding to that one line is not quoting out of context. Like most people who use that excuse, you don't know what quoting out of context means.

This would be quoting out of context:

I knew the place.

From Jennestia. THAT is quoting out of context. It completely loses its meaning. Quoting a statement in its entirety and responding is not out of context.

Lol he's not Manipulating me=). I just find the whole thing funny that he pretends to know stuff when he doesn't see the simple true facts.. " I bet you he's going to say, Enlighten me what is this true fact" lolzThe fact is EVERYONE is Content hungry.. We all can agree on that... =)

I don't pretend to know things I don't. I see a lot of pretending from people who have not acknowledged whether they are programmers (I take this as a big no) that they know the inner workings of the dev team more than anyone else, simply because they're defending them.

Also, you can quit putting words in my mouth. Or you can just troll, either way.

But frankly it was more to do with your statement limiting their development to few features currently being implemented. Of course if they were to only develop basic AA and shake up enmity it wouldn't take this long.

Gotcha. I know they're implementing more than just the battle changes, but those are specifically what I was referring to when making the comment, "It could have been done by now." With everything together, no, you're right. But that kind of goes against what Yoshi said in that quote. I just think that they are understaffed and bit off more than they could chew at once, or like you said, their QA is too small.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I didn't quote anyone out of context. Quoting one line from somebody's post and responding to that one line is not quoting out of context. Like most people who use that excuse, you don't know what quoting out of context means.

Actually, you do. Constantly. Also, I'm listing things that community does know.

New direction of development started in Jan: Fact
MMOs generally have their content lined up as much as 1 year in advance: Fact

Applying what people generally know to the argument that SE's pace of development is slow is unfair given the circumstances. While you on the other hand take this point and snip out parts of my posts and others posts and throw the debate off track.

I don't know any more information than you do, yet you still seem to think you have a superior argument. When I'm basing my judgement on actual facts and not guessing loosely and basing my knowledge off programming I perform for small time flash games. :P

Bye bye.