So resetting's against the rules now?

[Appleh4x]

In this case it's not an opinion, though. It's a GM telling you that resetting elite hunt marks falls into the category of disrupting other players' gameplay and as per the ToS can be punished accordingly.

It is an opinion though, it's the GM's opinion which I'm saying is wrong and biased. They are people too, and they (GMs) have different opinions, and from my PoV it doesn't have anything to do with breaking the ToS.

[Ghishlain]

From his last post:


He's implying that the intent needs to be to disrupt, not whether or not you reset it by mistake. He also implies that things that happen as side effects of resetting are intent, which goes against the meaning of the word.

Now I really think you're just a giant troll, but I'll bite because I honestly think you're just a misguided self-righteous player of justice who feels they are above the ToS due to acting "for the greater good".

Intent: the thing that you plan to do or achieve : an aim or purpose
Your intent was to reset the mob, to allow X additional players to get credit for a hunt mark.

Disrupt: to cause (something) to be unable to continue in the normal way : to interrupt the normal progress or activity of (something)
By resetting the mob, you have now willfully disrupted (keywords) the game play of every individual at the mark at this present time. The majority of players will continue to get full contribution, but select individuals will not due to varying circumstances.

However, this leads to the GM line:

The intent to disrupt another customer's game play does not require that the attempt to disrupt another customer's game play was successful. This could still be reported and investigated.

In theory, if there are 100 players at a mark, you disrupted those 100 players by resetting the mark. Every single player there can report you for disruption of their game play.

[Kyroc]

No. That's not what I'm saying.

If you reset a mob and no one complains then yeah there is no issue whatsoever. But, if you reset a mob that someone was already fighting and that said person puts a complaint in against you for it, then don't expect your moral reasoning behind why you chose to reset the mob to save you from an infraction because you chose to disrupt their gameplay.

[Ashkendor]

It is an opinion though, it's the GM's opinion which I'm saying is wrong and biased. They are people too, and they (GMs) have different opinions, and from my PoV it doesn't have anything to do with breaking the ToS.

Even if you're going to define it as an opinion, in this case his matters and ours really doesn't. We can sit here and talk about it until we're all blue in the face, but at the end of the day it doesn't change what the rules are or how the GM's interpret them. GM's enforce the rules. Players abide by them or face the consequences.

[MeiUshu]

the word *intend* means a deliberate will of doing something...who is to decide it is or wasnt deliberate ? just becasue someone says it was disturbing him or her isnt necesseraly the truth either right? to go and find out IF it was the truth or not requires manpower to go and *physically* check what happened at the moment it has been said it happened....you really think SE has that much manpower to do this ? it may be done once in a while to keep people happy so that they can say something was done and attest of it but in all honestly you think is done all the tiem ? ...what GM said is clear crystal it is said that the GM will make the call IF he (GM) deems that the intend was malicious no matter what your TRUE motives behind it were...his decision is final IF GM decides to look into it...to give so much power to one person to decide *life* and *death* of a player is ...wrong...rules should clearly state....ANY resetting will be sanctioned and player banned for ever.. Here whether is intentional, or not is beyond the point and is clear. You reset the mob you are banned...there cannot be any mistake if said mob takes you for target...and you are alone well tough luck...trust me there would be far less shoutings and far more *normal* and *fair* fights ..and many more deaths..*Lol*

People really, you should really stop these blabla for something that is NOT worth the effort....it is *just* a game...taking it too seriously is what destroys this game for that matter any games...enjoy the game...if someone resets well that someone is desperate enough to do so...i suggest you shrug it off yours houlders and move onto something else. Your day wont end with this and tomorrow you wont feel any different.

Mei

[Issac]

Please don't reset a hunt target I've been putting full effort into getting credit for. =/

[Appleh4x]

Literally none of you are even getting the point I'm making about how intent works because of your blinders. I see where you are coming from in this, I truly do, my arguments are for the sake of stopping a blanketed biased view of how resets should be handled though and because of your own feelings about it going into this you fail to see the problems I'm trying to address. There is literally no point in talking about this to people who won't listen so I'll just continue to play how I think is right and leave you all to your complaining about things here.

[Trell]

What you are not getting ,is that at the end of the day, people like me, who have not much time to play on a daily basis, want our play time to COUNT.

Getting our marks reset by the horde time and time again it's infuriating, and as stated, it's reportable. I don't care if you think us are just talking high about what's morally wrong or right, atm in game there's a problem and sweeping it under the rug is not a solution while we wait for a system fix.

Implying I don't understand the plight of the casual player is cute, but it seems you didn't really read the whole of my posts on this thread. If you did, you would see that I do realize that resetting is infuriating to some players and I don't recommend doing that. There are ways and rules of conduct people have adopted in game to make your time count, at least until SE finds a technical way of dealing with this issue, if they ever do. I've described some of those ways too.

What I tried to bring to the table is that although having philosophical discussions about all these moral and ethical opposites can be fun, people tend to not want to meet in the middle. I think that's not very useful and the focus should be on discussing practical solutions where we all do somewhat meet in the middle, whether that comes from SE, or our own in-game initiatives. That's not sweeping anything under the rug - it's just hoping people would focus on solutions instead of butting heads on empirical notions. Many posters on this thread have taken that approach and that's cool. I hope this clears up my position.

[MeiUshu]

you are RIGHT Apple in your words, I didnt comment on those becasue that is obviously true... my concern is else..my concern is in giving GM the *RIGHT* to decide and sanction based on THEIR sole discretion ...nothing guarantees that they are impartial AND fair... this is why rules need to be claer cut crystal but doing that would force SE, for that matter any companies, to have the manpower that allows enforcing the rules and clearly that is not something that is wanted.

I say it again, you are right, totally, but alas, in the current situation of the game and because things have been too far, neither you or me can do something, I suggest we both do live up what we bellieve to be right and fair, in my case..stay far away from hunts UNLESS I accidentally stumble on one.

Mei

[Kyroc]

Literally none of you are even getting the point I'm making about how intent works because of your blinders. I see where you are coming from in this, I truly do, my arguments are for the sake of stopping a blanketed biased view of how resets should be handled though and because of your own feelings about it going into this you fail to see the problems I'm trying to address. There is literally no point in talking about this to people who won't listen so I'll just continue to play how I think is right and leave you all to your complaining about things here.

Do you realise you just described exactly what you are doing yourself?