Adding fuel to the fire, Summoner's future

[Mjytresz]

Oi here we go again. First of all, everyone's opinion is relevant.

No it's not. Your opinion is irrelevant when you're talking about something that has a clear pattern, distinction, and definition. Your opinion on why the sun rises doesn't matter either. We already know why.

Secondly, don't compare FF version of Summoner to cheap ripoffs with the same name in other games. There is no "archetype" because Summoner has always been different.

Summoners, in the FF series, have key characteristics:

1) They summon
2) Their summons are useful
3) They usually have a secondary role
4) For the exception of FFX, summoning is typically their primary role and what they excel at.

Also, cheap ripoff? Surely Final Fantasy was the first RPG to ever make use of summoning in recorded history. You're brilliant.

Saying that SMN doesn't fit the mold is ignorance on your part. No changes need to be made, the job is one of the top DPS and all that's really needed is a job specfic LB that allows us to summon a primal which will more than likely give that SMN feel to the job that you're referring to.

I guess you're admitting that not every opinion is relevant? Oh wait.
Summoner doesn't fit the mold because summons aren't the primary function of the class. SMN has backup heals, a very useful res, utility skills, DoTs, AoE, oh and like 3 pet skills.

Hot damn, what is that, 1/5 areas devoted to summons? Considering how Garuda is the only useful summon, couples with the low DPS (not taking into account Contagion is the only useful skill outside of Enkindle), they're really just there for nostalgia to make us feel like we're Yuna, except summoning more useless, toddler versions of Aeons.

Also, there are no Affliction Warlock jobs in the history of FF so wtf would they change one of their most popular jobs to one that's never even been in the series?

Probably because FF14 SMN is a direct copy of Affliction Warlock? They both:

1) Heavily rely on DoTs
2) Sport a good array of DoT related skills
3) Have built-in sustain
4) Use pets mainly for backup dps and utility
5) Put out stupid amounts of damage

It's literally the same class.
Like I said, I'm sure you like it the way it is, however, the name is misrepresenting of what the class actually does. Change SMN to WLK and Egi to Minion and make a real summoner class. Problem solved.

[Razard]

Summoners, in the FF series, have key characteristics:

1) They summon
2) Their summons are useful
3) They usually have a secondary role
4) For the exception of FFX, summoning is typically their primary role and what they excel at.

This'll be good

1. Which they do in this game.
2. Debatable from game to game.
3. Yes, I wonder why that is.
4. Gosh no. Going on Summoner characters Rydia will be using Black Magic more often than not, because it's more MP efficient. With Eiko and Garnet they'll be healing more than summoning.

So, yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.

[Exstal]

Summoners, in the FF series, have key characteristics:

1) They summon
2) Their summons are useful
3) They usually have a secondary role
4) For the exception of FFX, summoning is typically their primary role and what they excel at.

This'll be good

1. Which they do in this game.
2. Debatable from game to game.
3. Yes, I wonder why that is.
4. Gosh no. Going on Summoner characters Rydia will be using Black Magic more often than not, because it's more MP efficient. With Eiko and Garnet they'll be healing more than summoning.

So, yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.

Let me get in on this too!

1. Agreed
2. General rule of thumb is; good early game, shitty late/end game
3. As per 2 (usually)
4. Usually because you only bring them for their nuke attack and nothing else.

[Dwill]

Summoners, in the FF series, have key characteristics:

1) They summon
2) Their summons are useful
3) They usually have a secondary role
4) For the exception of FFX, summoning is typically their primary role and what they excel at.

1. So do we.
2. So are ours. (Our pets keeps us competitive in DPS so they are useful)
3. So do we. (Providing light support to the party)
4. So is it for us. (We both summons to deal damage except our damage isn't 100% the pet)

I guess you're admitting that not every opinion is relevant? Oh wait.
Summoner doesn't fit the mold because summons aren't the primary function of the class. SMN has backup heals, a very useful res, utility skills, DoTs, AoE, oh and like 3 pet skills.

Hot damn, what is that, 1/5 areas devoted to summons? Considering how Garuda is the only useful summon, couples with the low DPS (not taking into account Contagion is the only useful skill outside of Enkindle), they're really just there for nostalgia to make us feel like we're Yuna, except summoning more useless, toddler versions of Aeons.

Titan is pretty useful in open world content and while Ifrit is not as useful as Garuda, he has his uses in certain encounters.

And honestly, saying that pet DPS is low when it is 25-30% of your own makes your already low credibility take a hit.

Probably because FF14 SMN is a direct copy of Affliction Warlock? They both:

1) Heavily rely on DoTs
2) Sport a good array of DoT related skills
3) Have built-in sustain
4) Use pets mainly for backup dps and utility
5) Put out stupid amounts of damage

It's literally the same class.
Like I said, I'm sure you like it the way it is, however, the name is misrepresenting of what the class actually does. Change SMN to WLK and Egi to Minion and make a real summoner class. Problem solved.

Well I guess by that logic, Warriors and Death Knight are the same:

1. They both use two-handed weapons to tank.
2. They both use a unique resource system to use their core abilities.
3. Both have built-in sustain.
4. Both uses parry as their main passive damage mitigating stats.
5. Puts out more damage than their Paladin counterparts.

See how out of context comparison are worthless ?