So resetting's against the rules now?

[Thayos]

There are no early pulls, there are only just pulls.

No, there are early pulls. If a mob is found by members of a group who are then waiting for their friends to arrive before pulling, and then you run in there and pull, then that's an early pull.

Justify it all you want, but it is what it is. You can't say people who reset are always in the wrong but then act like early pullers are always in the right.

Keep in mind, I'm not talking about "being within the rules." I'm talking about ethical vs. unethical.

The situation described above is unethical.

I have more respect for people who just say, "I early pull, and I know that screws some people out of seals, but in the end it doesn't really matter because sometimes people do resets, and things balance out."

[Lamentations]

[QUOTE=Thayos;2338034]No, there are early pulls.

No there are "no early pulls", and it has nothing whatsoever to do with ethics, you are fighting a losing battle here with game mechanics, those mechanics were when the patch was released and still are "first come first serve", I don't understand why people ignore mechanics.

Those mechanics weren't intended to be interpreted by the player base at all for their own satisfaction of opinion, no one has to wait to pull.

Their are two reasons chivalry doesn't work well hunting marks, the more people you wait on the less likely anyone is to get full credit if someone decides to leash, and the more grief of any kind you may be subjected to.

Leash resetting is griefing as he explained because the people who "already" had credit established may now lose it to benefit others, you cant help your friends "at the expense" of others, stealing a piece of candy from a kid who has two pieces to give another kid one isn't sharing, it's just stealing.

Another analogy is cops confiscating drug money from cartels and then donating it to the poor, the suffering involved in making that money doesn't magically go away, it's still dirty money.

Same goes for credit lost to others already present on resets, people who haven't arrived yet don't have claim to their credit, again first come first serve, it's how hunts were designed for better or worse.

I am a Ilvl 86 dragoon (I don't play this sigs toon anymore), and if I find a mark by stumbling onto it I am dead silent, the call only goes to my FC, if I show up after it has been found I A) Say nothing, and B) never pull first. it's how this content was designed, people need to get over it already.

This leash mechanic was not designed to mesh with random spawn hunts, doubt it will be fixed now.

[Appleh4x]

]No, there are early pulls.

No there are "no early pulls", and it has nothing whatsoever to do with ethics, you are fighting a losing battle here with game mechanics, those mechanics were when the patch was released and still are "first come first serve", I don't understand why people ignore mechanics.

Those mechanics weren't intended to be interpreted by the player base at all for their own satisfaction of opinion, no one has to wait to pull.

Their are two reasons chivalry doesn't work well hunting marks, the more people you wait on the less likely anyone is to get full credit if someone decides to leash, and the more grief of any kind you may be subjected to.

Leash resetting is griefing as he explained because the people who "already" had credit established may now lose it to benefit others, you cant help your friends "at the expense" of others, stealing a piece of candy from a kid who has two pieces to give another kid one isn't sharing, it's just stealing...

This isn't a piece of candy. Your post reminds me of those terrible anti piracy ads saying stuff like "you wouldn't download a car!" If you want to think of it as candy then think of it as candy that can be fed to one person, or it can magically feed the same amount to a hundred people if properly shared. Do it right and everyone gets a piece of the pie, try to hoarde it and you'll start complaining on the forums about resets because you pulled it too early.

[ispano]

This isn't a piece of candy. Your post reminds me of those terrible anti piracy ads saying stuff like "you wouldn't download a car!" If you want to think of it as candy then think of it as candy that can be fed to one person, or it can magically feed the same amount to a hundred people if properly shared. Do it right and everyone gets a piece of the pie, try to hoarde it and you'll start complaining on the forums about resets because you pulled it too early.

No, it's a system that isn't designed to support that many people on one mob. People like to claim that hundreds can get full credit, but it just cannot happen based on how the system works.

[Appleh4x]

No, it's a system that isn't designed to support that many people on one mob. People like to claim that hundreds can get full credit, but it just cannot happen based on how the system works.

Works pretty well on Goblin. If you people didn't pull early and formed proper parties you wouldn't be here complaining, you'd be getting full credit on hunts and have to find something else to complain about.

[Lamentations]

Works pretty well on Goblin. If you people didn't pull early and formed proper parties you wouldn't be here complaining, you'd be getting full credit on hunts and have to find something else to complain about.

lol ok, everyone states in chat when 100 zerg a mob that they merrily got full credit on a hunt mark half of them never saw load from lag in the first place, this situation has been established in many other threads.

Your server either doesn't have many players on a mob, certainly not 100, or this is simple fabrication.

Pulling early is not griefing, people not waiting is XIV mechanics "working as intended", declaring in shout an S ranks spawn is "not" is the game "working as intended", leashing is stealing one groups credit to benefit others.

The official statement by the moderator defined this.

[Appleh4x]

lol ok, everyone states in chat when 100 zerg a mob that they merrily got full credit on a hunt mark half of them never saw load from lag in the first place, this situation has been established in many other threads.

Your server either doesn't have many players on a mob. certainly not 100, or this is simple fabrication.

We just form full parties of 8 people, and every job does what earns the most credit. Tanks generate enmity, healers spam medica/2, DPS... they dps. We all share information about the hunts over many LS and don't keep it exclusive.

[Nekodar]

lol ok, everyone states in chat when 100 zerg a mob that they merrily got full credit on a hunt mark half of them never saw load from lag in the first place, this situation has been established in many other threads.

Your server either doesn't have many players on a mob. certainly not 100, or this is simple fabrication.

If you never saw it, you wouldn't be able to get a hit in at all, and therefore not any base contribution so the party contribution wouldn't apply to you.
That's a simple fact.

On one particularly bad day Zona Seeker spawned. I got there, never saw the mob, tried to spam Holy where it was supposed to be based on the hoarde, ended up with 0.

[Nekodar]

Works pretty well on Goblin. If you people didn't pull early and formed proper parties you wouldn't be here complaining, you'd be getting full credit on hunts and have to find something else to complain about.

The other day I saw a shout that Marraco was up. I forwarded information to FC and got a group with people that were there... At most 2 full parties.
The rest had just found another A-rank in another zone.

We started fighting Marraco and when it was at 30%, the hoarde arrived after killing the other A-rank... The hoarde immediate started crying for someone to reset, while some of us who were there from start were dead and a reset would have voided any contribution we had done that far. Luckily noone managed to reset.

Would you call that pulling early? That was the hoarde ignoring the call because they found another A-rank.

I complained about the call to reset and would have complained more if they had succeeded.

Resetting is griefing more often than not.

[Appleh4x]

The other day I saw a shout that Marraco was up. I forwarded information to FC and got a group with people that were there... At most 2 full parties.
The rest had just found another A-rank in another zone.

We started fighting Marraco and when it was at 30%, the hoarde arrived after killing the other A-rank... The hoarde immediate started crying for someone to reset, while some of us who were there from start were dead and a reset would have voided any contribution we had done that far. Luckily noone managed to reset.

Would you call that pulling early? That was the hoarde ignoring the call because they found another A-rank.

I complained about the call to reset and would have complained more if they had succeeded.

You should read a guide on hunting. Share the information with as many people as possible via Linkshells before you pull and you won't have this issue, and in turn people will tell you about more hunts as well. Win-win