So resetting's against the rules now?

[Ashkendor]

it's in an effort to help people.

Honestly, I think resetting in an effort to help is a little misguided. You may help the people that didn't get to the mark on time, but what of the people that were already fighting it? We already know the marks with larger models often have issues with disappearing once a bunch of people pile into the area. If someone's been there fighting the mob and you reset it so the zerg horde can show up to it, who's to say that everyone in the original group can even target the mob once it resets? Who's to say that once all those people pile on, they will be able to get full credit? I've had times where a mob has been reset and my subsequent participation reduced me to the minimum reward.

I found someone soloing the Leech King in Mor Dhona a bit ago; they had it at about 60%. I could have gone over and wrested aggro away from them and reset it, I suppose. Instead I sent out a shout to the zone then joined them. The fastest few got there and thanked me for the shout. A few people complained about the "fast pull" to which I answered that the mob was half dead when I shouted. *shrugs* Even when people are working together to find the marks, hunting is always going to be somewhat competitive in nature.

when you reset it is out of greed and greed only, people not there think they deserve credit, so even if you aren't the greedy douchebag that think you are entitled to every mark that spawns, you group with said douchebags, you help them, and you benefit from them, so in my eyes you are the same, and I have a term for it, it is douchebaggery by receiving.

That's... going a little far. I don't think everyone that resets a hunt mob does it because they're greedy. I think some people genuinely think that they're helping. It's kind of a no-win situation all around, though. You've got the people that didn't make it that are going to raise an enormous hue and cry on shout if you don't reset it, and you've got the people that DID make it whose participation you completely nullify if you do reset it.

Since resetting it can get you reported and leaving it alone can't, well you can guess which I do. >.>

[Ahmbor]

it is a hunt, not a waiting queue...

[Eidolon]

Honestly, I think resetting in an effort to help is a little misguided. You may help the people that didn't get to the mark on time, but what of the people that were already fighting it?

Mmmhm. This I can see as a good point - usually if someone's there from the start, it means if they have the 8 people they need to be able to get maximum contribution they will. But even so, I don't think I've ever seen a case where I lost contribution due to a reset (Or rather, my team was able to maintain it) but in a smaller party, it could definitely be such a rough situation.

I'll probably stop resetting from here on out. It's better not to put your own self at risk to help others. 'Can only help others once you can help yourself', right?

[Mcshiggs]

That's... going a little far. I don't think everyone that resets a hunt mob does it because they're greedy. I think some people genuinely think that they're helping.

Read the entire sentence, I said even if you aren't the greedy one, you are doing it to help the greedy one, so the reset was still caused by greed, even if it's not the greed of the one that reset it, the reason ultimately behind it was so the greedy person that thinks they deserve credit on everything that spawns in the world could get there for credit.

[Eidolon]

Read the entire sentence, I said even if you aren't the greedy one, you are doing it to help the greedy one, so the reset was still caused by greed, even if it's not the greed of the one that reset it, the reason ultimately behind it was so the greedy person that thinks they deserve credit on everything that spawns in the world could get there for credit.

This implies your reason for pulling was motivated by a singular person, one who's only purpose was fufillment of the self. This is not the case, in any scenario. :P

[Mcshiggs]

This implies your reason for pulling was motivated by a singular person, one who's only purpose was fufillment of the self. This is not the case, in any scenario. :P

The person not there that wants the rewards, they are the greedy one. You reset it for them. You helped the greedy one with your reset, therefore the reset came about because of greed. I am saying the person that sits in town and waits for callouts and expects others to reset for them is in it only for themselves and the rewards, you may be helping the team, but your team or LS seems to be full of greedy folks expecting you to break the rules so they can benefit from it.

That doesn't change the fact that throwing the term "douchebag" at people that are making an effort (albeit slightly misguided) to help people make it to the mark is going a little far. o.o

I use the term "douchebag" because the only other word that could even come close would be calling them a tool, but a tool implies it has some sort of use, and I have no use for these type of people, so I go with douchebag.

[JTribal]

your team or LS seems to be full of greedy folks expecting you to break the rules so they can benefit from it.


I use the term "douchebag" because the only other word that could even come close would be calling them a tool, but a tool implies it has some sort of use, and I have no use for these type of people, so I go with douchebag.

tl;dr

LS Master here. I don't promote resetting and have stated this multiple times in our LS. Unfortunately, there is not an LS bulletin and I cannot always get a message or communication out to the entire LS. Caex was kind enough to let me know about the issue afterwards and I was able to clarify what the LS views on resetting are. Shame on you for calling 127 other people that you have never met douchebags. Also, not everyone has all day to sit on the forums and troll, so I'm not sure why you would put someone down for having not seen a thread about this topic earlier.

[Mcshiggs]

Also, not everyone has all day to sit on the forums and troll, so I'm not sure why you would put someone down for having not seen a thread about this topic earlier.

He said people always ask him for resets, and he would always do it, so in my eyes I think the same about all those that ask for resets as I do the one that resets. You say it was him not knowing the rules, ok, he didn't think ahead about how his actions would impact others, ok, he may not have read or understood the ToS, ok, but ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking the rules. What he did was wrong, he deserved to be reported, and he deserves any action that could be taken against him. I didn't put him down for not seeing this on the forums, I let him know that it had been, and he could have used the search function if he was curious if this had been brought up before, I put him down for breaking the rules.

[JTribal]

ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking the rules. What he did was wrong, he deserved to be reported, and he deserves any action that could be taken against him. I didn't put him down for not seeing this on the forums, I let him know that it had been, and he could have used the search function if he was curious if this had been brought up before, I put him down for breaking the rules.

You may not have any sympathy for someone that makes an honest mistake, but I do. I agree he broke the rules, but his intentions were good. It was fairly obvious from the beginning that he wasn't doing it on purpose and didn't realize the negative impact it had on other people. I'm not going to persecute someone for that. Anyways, I'm not going to continue to defend myself, the previous comments were removed for a reason.

[Ashkendor]

Read the entire sentence, I said even if you aren't the greedy one, you are doing it to help the greedy one, so the reset was still caused by greed, even if it's not the greed of the one that reset it, the reason ultimately behind it was so the greedy person that thinks they deserve credit on everything that spawns in the world could get there for credit.

I did read it. That doesn't change the fact that throwing the term "douchebag" at people that are making an effort (albeit slightly misguided) to help people make it to the mark is going a little far. o.o

The only way I know to get less reward is if you arent in a group with at least 6 ppl. And well hunting was meant for parties so its kinda your own fault that youre trying to get full points solo.

Just my opinion

B ranks are light party content. A and S are full party content, but who's to say that two people didn't just drop from your party cause their moms called them to dinner or they had work/class? It's not always easy to find replacements before the mob dies so that everyone in your party can get full credit. Even if you DO have a full party, if there are enough people at a mark (especially those with larger models) you run into rendering issues where members of your party may not even be able to see the mob.