Allow us to buy Sands of Time with Soldiery

[Amberyl]

Why do you care that they replied? And it may not be exactly what I said

Because even now, after your own reply, he was misquoting you. There is nothing worse than misinformation and Chinese whispers in a debate.

That aside, you're still not making much sense, yourself. You're saying that the idea of being able to buy ilvl 110 conversion from the same process that buys you ilvl 100 gear, would trivialize the ilvl 100 equipment, yes?

But isn't that exactly what hunts already do? o_0 That's the point of the backlash. You can cap the game off fates, and gear to max from hunts without ever stepping into a group instance.

You make no sense at all.

[Gilraen]

You make no sense at all.

Probably because I haven't been spamming hunts 24/7 to understand just how much damage they've done. I haven't once said they haven't done harm, but I haven't really commented on them because I don't really know what they are fully about. All I know is that are the NMs people wanted and now noone wants them... :/

[Amberyl]

I haven't once said they haven't done harm, but I haven't really commented on them because I don't really know what they are fully about.

My dualbox account has an ilvl in the 90's and hasn't done a story quest above lvl 24. Almost all of that gear came from casually stumbling across elite marks while atma grinding my main. It's weapon is an ilvl 70 proc bought solely with the money generated in the first 20 levels of content, because hunts have devalued them so much they're worth pittance.

Let me repeat that, just to get the point home. An ilvl in the 90's without ever having progressed the main story beyond getting it's chocobo.

Hunts have destroyed the structure of endgame. They layered vertical progression in every patch until 2.3, and then wrote off almost every piece of instance content added since 2.0 release.

[blowfin]

They layered vertical progression in every patch until 2.3, and then wrote off almost every piece of instance content added since 2.0 release.

Hah. Garuda/Titan/Ifrit EX and Rowena's Tokens would like a word with you. They got written off in 2.2. So Did Binding Coil for that matter. Something similar will happen in every major patch, it's just that hunts have had a bigger impact than normal.

What bothers me more is when we get content that doesn't even seem designed to last a full patch cycle (e.g.):
- CT
- ST
- Ramuh EX

Having said all that seal acquisition from hunts is pretty damn high, and it's hard for them to go back now. Dailies certainly need a buff though.

Oils from ST are a great example of something that's nearly a complete waste of time targeting, you're simply better off doing hunts. It would be pretty nice if they could fix this too, and to be perfectly blunt they should add Sands. It's not as if people are struggling to get them from hunts.

When 6/8 people are still trying to lot Sands in ST on a Monday night before reset, I can't help but think it's a bit broken.

[Lemuria]

Just make it expensive enough to limit the supply and you've solved just about everyone's issue with the concept. Say 1300 tomes.

3 weeks for one sand is NOT overpowered. Idiots who are ranting about 'OMG! You got sands without doing coil!" should also be moaning about Hunts, since you can save up marks for bloody tomes and trade those in for sands too. But these are probably the same people actually running hunts and farming sands anyway.

Keep the 'special snowflake' attitude for the few people who care, you're a minority in any case. Options should always be there, so that people can work towards these things as a long term goal. You can get your armor-of-elite-smugness in a single drop, others will work longer for it. If this upsets you, then maybe you're not mature enough to be playing this game.

[Amberyl]

What bothers me more is when we get content that doesn't even seem designed to last a full patch cycle (e.g.):

Doesn't last a week, let alone a patch cycle. The complete lack of comment on all this is astounding too. We've had over a year of clarification and explanation, and then when it comes to the biggest single f*ck up they've made since 2.0's launch, they won't even confirm it's being played out as intended.

2.4 needs to be pretty monumental to justify resubscription, and I don't just mean the new classes. Anyone with a brain and the stomach for the hunts farce will have that capped and near ilvl 100 in the first week.

[Alukah]

Doesn't last a week, let alone a patch cycle. The complete lack of comment on all this is astounding too. We've had over a year of clarification and explanation, and then when it comes to the biggest single f*ck up they've made since 2.0's launch, they won't even confirm it's being played out as intended.

2.4 needs to be pretty monumental to justify resubscription, and I don't just mean the new classes. Anyone with a brain and the stomach for the hunts farce will have that capped and near ilvl 100 in the first week.

Watch them come out with a ridiculous ilvl increase (130 or 140) just to invalidate i110.

[blowfin]

Anyone with a brain and the stomach for the hunts farce will have that capped and near ilvl 100 in the first week.

Well yeah that's exactly their intention at the moment, gear everyone up for 2.4.

But, I'd be really surprised if hunts remain as relevant in 2.4. They may make some changes and additions, but I can't see them allowing Hunts to overshadow the next edition of Coil. I think everyone forgets that a little bit, this is just a temporary situation until the next patch. To be perfectly blunt maybe we didn't all quite progress as fast as SE expected, hence the ease of gearing up via hunts?

Watch them come out with a ridiculous ilvl increase (130 or 140) just to invalidate i110.

Exactly, you'd expect Coil3 to be i130. Then all this qq'ing about hunts will seem just a little bit silly.

[Felis]

But it's not irony.

Coil people want sands to come from coil. They were mad/displeased/whatever, that they added a 2nd option, of course they're going to feel the same about a suggestion for a third. There's absolutely nothing ironic about that.

There is already coming a third option that was once the planned 2nd option before 2.3

[Ryel]

Watch them come out with a ridiculous ilvl increase (130 or 140) just to invalidate i110.

Is it confirmed that the next set of coil will be the last major ilvl increase before the expansion? Because if it is, i wouldn't be surprised if they took that time to make a massive jump in ilvl to compensate for Hunts and to buy time for expansion release.