Allow us to buy Sands of Time with Soldiery

[Alukah]

Why? If someone thinks those should only come from coil then being mad at another option suggested when they think 2 is too many makes perfect sense. You may not agree with the opinion but there's certainly no WTF'ness about it.

That sentence was oddly constructed, but this is what he's pointing at:

Coil people asked to remove sands from the hunt.
Hunters jumped on coil people for getting mad when it's just another option.
A third group now asks for sands from soldiery (which atm is way more controlled than the hunt)
Hunters jump on this third group for suggesting another option outside hunts (the nerve!)

Irony at its finest.

Sands from soldiery is not any worse than sands from the hunt, on the contrary, at least soldiery has a weekly cap.

[Amberyl]

Oils/Sands coming from Soldiery is stupid.
Oils/Sands coming from Hunts is equally stupid.
Oils/Sands should (only) come from the highest level content we have.
Reading comprehension is hard.

Why are you replying for someone else? That's not what Gilraen said. Stick your nose into someone else's business, thx.

[Alistaire]

But it's not irony.

Coil people want sands to come from coil. They were mad/displeased/whatever, that they added a 2nd option, of course they're going to feel the same about a suggestion for a third. There's absolutely nothing ironic about that.

[Volcano]

I think what people Fail to realize is that this game is about a year old now (ARR that is, i didn't need to point that out but you know, people) this gear WILL be outdated in upcoming patches and i secretly suspect SE wants you to cap out on this stuff as they are planing to release content that will make all of that moot.

So all this complaining about it is pointless. Then coil people will rush to the new gear. and then High allagan armor/weapons will be "for casuals" etc. This cycle will always continue.

[Parodine]

I don't understand why the 'leet' would be so irritated by this request. You already have your 'I'm better than you' High Allagan to wear. You can't buy that with soldiery.

So at the heart, it's the ilvl. For some reason you can't stand having a casual player have the same ilvl as you? That's bizarre. You have your special gear. Your achievements. Your attitude (clearly). Just let the number go? It's all a gear treadmill anyway. Soon you'll have a whole new set of leet armor to show you're better than us plebeians.

[Amberyl]

and then High allagan armor/weapons will be "for casuals" etc. This cycle will always continue.

How will High Allagan ever be for casuals, when no one bothers running it? o_0 Why would you spend hours learning hop-skip-and-jump mechanics like that, for what will essentially become nothing but glamour-ware?

Missing the point.

[Alukah]

But it's not irony.

Coil people want sands to come from coil. They were mad/displeased/whatever, that they added a 2nd option, of course they're going to feel the same about a suggestion for a third. There's absolutely nothing ironic about that.

And seems like my post wasn't clear either... Chocolate_Rain is pointing the irony of hunters (not raiders) getting mad at this third group for suggesting another option, when their way to obtain sands is way worse (worse as in terrible game design).

[blowfin]

So at the heart, it's the ilvl. For some reason you can't stand having a casual player have the same ilvl as you? That's bizarre. You have your special gear. Your achievements. Your attitude (clearly). Just let the number go? It's all a gear treadmill anyway. Soon you'll have a whole new set of leet armor to show you're better than us plebeians.

It's because some people have the illusion that if they get BiS gear, it should remain BiS forever, and always be as hard to obtain as it was originally. Otherwise people haven't "earnt" it with their horse and carriage. Considering that we're a year into this game and it's very obviously a vertical progression model, that kind of sentiment is pretty daft.

I mean have a think about this, the other thing that has changed recently was the speed of acquisition of Novus weapons (via the huge increase in Myth output). This effectively de-valued the work of people who had completed their weapons before Myth got buffed. However, I don't see any complaints from the Novus owners out there that it's now easier to acquire, but there are plenty of raiders who were vocal about Sands/Oil/UAT being added outside of coil. Clearly the conclusion to come out of this is: Raiders = Whiners.

I'm very interested in seeing how delicious people's tears will be when they announce the next phase of the Novus update, because it's almost certainly going to trump HA weapons.

[Gilraen]

Why are you replying for someone else? That's not what Gilraen said. Stick your nose into someone else's business, thx.

Why do you care that they replied? And it may not be exactly what I said, but it is a less that polite way of getting to the heart of it. I don't mind if people say something for or against me, it's their right to do so. Now, I'm not 'leet', I've never beat Twintania thus I've never done Turns 6-9. Thus I don't see soldiery as being this exclusive currency only superlatively geared people can get. It's easy to get if you don't mind spamming dungeons, hunts and whatnot. Making the items to upgrade soldiery bought equipment available for soldiery kind of trivializes the soldiery gear. I will concede that a compromise could be reached. Maybe have all soldiery gear require unidentified tomes like the weapons, then I can see buying the upgrade items with soldiery.

[Kajukai]

I don't know If anyone said it already, but you'll be able to purchase SoT,OoT,UAT with sold in around 3 months, which will be unlimited. So if you can't/don't want to do Coil or Hunts, you need to wait. SoT will drop in ST 'soon', but that's way harder to get.