Is ninja confirmed the only new job?

[Alistaire]

1) run with better people
1a) Unless you're farming (see T5), there's no reason for DPS racing..unless you need that 5th DPS to clear.
2) DF doesn't allow you to choose what tank you play with

Never mentioned DF, and what in the world are you getting at with "run with better people" when I say things are solo-tanked?

The irrefutable point here is that making some DPS slashing gives WAR an edge it doesn't have right now; this will change the current balance and I'm just interested to see how it's handled.

And farming anything is worthy of a DPS race if you're trying to get as many kills in in x amount of time. (or hell, just to minimize the time people have to screw up)

So basically you're spouting things that are either irrelevant or just completely out in left field. I should suck less by using more tanks? OK.

[Exstal]

Never mentioned DF, and what in the world are you getting at with "run with better people" when I say things are solo-tanked?

The irrefutable point here is that making some DPS slashing gives WAR an edge it doesn't have right now; this will change the current balance and I'm just interested to see how it's handled.

And farming anything is worthy of a DPS race if you're trying to get as many kills in in x amount of time. (or hell, just to minimize the time people have to screw up)

So basically you're spouting things that are either irrelevant or just completely out in left field. I should suck less by using more tanks? OK.

I'm saying, two tanks is perfectly fine if you're not racing against a clock (DPS insufficient, farming runs). DF is mentioned because "War tank or gtfo" implies in every situation. Most of the time, DF is used (for 4 mans). So it's easy to state that you can't choose what type of tank you get.

As for handling slashing debuff with a slashing DPS...make content like Savage Second Coil where two tanks are required. Done.

[Ultimatecalibur]

A few things will determine if War + Ninja will be a must have.

1. % of Ninja endgame DpS that is slashing damage - The Rogue/Ninja has been implied to do damage through a combination of Slashing attacks, Poisons and Elemental mudra. Depending of the composition of the rotation Storm's Eye could be anywhere between a 9% (90% slashing) damage buff and a 2.5% (25% slashing) damage buff.

2. If Ninja has an inherent Slashing Resistance debuff and if that debuff stacks with Storm's Eye

3. Dps in comparison to other Dps Jobs

[Exstal]

2. If Ninja has an inherent Slashing Resistance debuff and if that debuff stacks with Storm's Eye

Could you imagine?　It'd be WAR/PLD/NIN/NIN/NIN/BRD/SCH/WHM

So much DPS

[Warrlordd]

I wonder, if SE is keen on making adds/things in fights immune to poisons (check: Ifrit's nail phases) how much % DPS they're willing to put into a NIN's poisons, or if they'll have a DPS function at all, or if they'll be just for utility purposes.

[Alphras]

Never mentioned DF, and what in the world are you getting at with "run with better people" when I say things are solo-tanked?

The irrefutable point here is that making some DPS slashing gives WAR an edge it doesn't have right now; this will change the current balance and I'm just interested to see how it's handled.

And farming anything is worthy of a DPS race if you're trying to get as many kills in in x amount of time. (or hell, just to minimize the time people have to screw up)

So basically you're spouting things that are either irrelevant or just completely out in left field. I should suck less by using more tanks? OK.

WAR is already preferred for most stuff that is single tanked. Especially if the group wants to maximize its dps.

Edit: And we don't even know what damage type Ninja will do. My guess is that a good chunk of it will be elemental damage and maybe even some piercing.

[ChaozK]

Well i dont see bards getting mad if there isnt a DRG for the piercing debuff so i guess it wont be too much of an issue.

Also from the sounds of it, ninja might be somewhat lower on the dps pole to begin with, having less positional requierements and such.

[Aaramis]

Well i dont see bards getting mad if there isnt a DRG for the piercing debuff so i guess it wont be too much of an issue.

Also from the sounds of it, ninja might be somewhat lower on the dps pole to begin with, having less positional requierements and such.

Yeah, I'm going to assume it'll be below DRG and MNK for melee dps, but on par with or slightly above BRD.
And if their elemental ninjutsu damage is boosted by BRD's Foe Requiem, that could be very interesting indeed...

[Viridiana]

And if their elemental ninjutsu damage is boosted by BRD's Foe Requiem, that could be very interesting indeed...

Not unless they decide it's actually magic damage. Are people forgetting that none of the DoW classes have any sort of magical damage component? They can't even cross-class any DoM attacks. The only reason DoM classes can cross-class Mercy Stroke, I think, is because DoM still have melee attacks. And there's approximately zero chance they'll mix piercing and slashing in the same class, much less something like slashing and magic. . .

[Alphras]

SMN already has Blunt, Slashing and Magic damage mixed in one job. There is no reason for them not doing it for other new classes.