WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A BARD IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SING?!

[Yoninxi]

And don't assume this thread is only about WHMs complaining about bards

[RyuDragnier]

Both healers have ways to get mp back. In many parties you won't have a bard. With proper mp management you will never need ballad. A lot of bards do not want to use ballad because it lowers their damage by 20%. Proper MP management should be used instead of asking for ballad.

This is true for SCHs only, though there are times even they run out of MP (but seem to be rare). WHM only gets Shroud of Saints which is on a 2 minute cooldown and puts on Refresh. It barely covers the MP while you're still healing.

A drg and monk personally thanked me for using it one time....quite elusive indeed lmao.

It'd probably be easier to use if we could see everybody's TP, but because nobody can see each other's TP, the song is rarely used because it's impossible to tell when a BRD needs to use it outside of somebody mentioning it.

As someone who played BRD for the longest time before switching mains to MNK (I just love the complexity and dem hands), I find that BRD attracts some of the laziest and worst players in the game, most of which will not touch a single song. Because the class is listed as DPS they think they're there only for damage, and will not do anything but damage. Oh I hope the Beginner's Hall shows up soon enough, or at least an actual DPS job for Archers so the ones who are BRD will actually sing.

[QT_Melon]

BRD is a support class so it is like telling a WHM to actually use their heals.

Regardless though, I've seen plenty of eventually wipes because BRDs who won't use Mage's Ballads after us healers constantly raise either them or other people who don't know how avoid death.

Well saying Bard is a support class in this game is a misnomer still. It's more of Bard is a DPS class with additional Support abilities. One can just take off the Soulstone get a Rosenbogen or other weapon that allows it and play ARC too. But unfortunately we loose one of our attacks in doing so, not just the ability to play songs.

The problem isn't the Bard playing the song it's the fact people can't dodge attacks and you have to raise them multiple times, you're just delaying the wipe, not saving people from it. You're blaming a symptom as the cause.


That being said, if the same people keeping dying including a Bard, just stop wasting mana on them. They cry about it then it's a good lesson on why they need to learn to dodge.
In addition its a matter of playing the song when appropriate AND being in the area. I've had a WHM wander off and wonder why no mana regen because they went out of range. I had people get upset when I mark a particular healer during a primal fight like Moogle EX and take off the marker. They get no song from me. The marker is there so I know where the heck you are in the chaos of Moogles. You're not being marked because I'm a troll. I need to see where you are to make Ballad effective.

You don't want to just blast FOE away every time you see a Caster in the group that does damage. You can make things worse. You'll tick off surrounding mobs in certain locations.

You don't play Ballad at the start, you play it when you see healer MP go to half. Worse if when you watch healer MP drain because the healer decided to make friends with Good King Moogle Mog.

As others have said, bad players everywhere.

[ClaireAbigail]

Nah this thread is about whose e peen is bigger. It's a little about assumptions since allot of people are like "she/he play this class so they should this and that"

A typical response here is too reassure the ones here that they are good players by explaining and showing their rotations/sing songs/ mp management and there's nothing wrong with that.

But I'll stand by the fact not everyone can play their class correctly or no one ever taught them how. Why am I being defensive? Because I took the role of helping those said people you guys are ridiculing and a lot of those just need a helping hand. If you're making fun of those who are lost causes then whatever idc about them either.

Tl;dr: get off your high horse, don't assume everyone you meet will play up to your expectations

[Ashkendor]

So Claire posted that there are bad players in every job and now every one is raging at her since there is no more point to another QQ thread?

I'm pretty sure people are raging at her because of the tone to her posts, not because of what she said.

[KenzieLynch]

Lets be honest, the difference Foe's Requiem makes in the vast majority of parties is negligible. If you are that frustrated by your low DPS then work on your rotations and improve as a player :-)

[ClaireAbigail]

Snip I don't have anything to defend

please stop with the flattery /blush. ;D you're welcome to join my kitty harem if you'd like!
Sad though after reading that. It's almost as if you have a superiority complex. I see that you're kinda like one of those people who will just snicker and grin while feeling good about yourself instead of helping those blm....if you're as good as you say you are.
I'm not even insulting you honestly I'm not. no sarcasm either...reading that is just sad for me.

[QT_Melon]

But I'll stand by the fact not everyone can play their class correctly or no one ever taught them how. Why am I being defensive? Because I took the role of helping those said people you guys are ridiculing and a lot of those just need a helping hand. If you're making fun of those who are lost causes then whatever idc about them either.

Tl;dr: get off your high horse, don't assume everyone you meet will play up to your expectations

The people not explaining things and just come on to bash players irritates me. A person who has leveled a Bard isn't going to instantly know how much MP a WHM may consume doing certain moves. They may also think that the person has potions or food in their inventory and can replenish their mana. Or people who think Bards should carry potions to replenish MP for WHM.

That deserves a WHAT.

[Yoninxi]

The people not explaining things and just come on to bash players irritates me. A person who has leveled a Bard isn't going to instantly know how much MP a WHM may consume doing certain moves. They may also think that the person has potions or food in their inventory and can replenish their mana. Or people who think Bards should carry potions to replenish MP for WHM.

That deserves a WHAT.

Generally if you see raise macros going off repeatedly, you should know healers MP is being taxed. Not even SCH MP will last if they have to keep raising the same Derps.

[Tupsi]

Tl;dr: get off your high horse, don't assume everyone you meet will play up to your expectations

Let's be honest - If you join Circus Tower and out of the 15 DPS you have 8 BLM, 2 MNK, 1 DRG and 4 BRD and yet you see not one Foe Requiem...that's not exactly high standards. If you see your mages having to constantly raise people so you don't keep wiping over and over...and you don't use Mage's Ballad....

That's a high standard? I mean yeah ARR is nothing special MMORPG wise, but that seems more like "the basics" than having high standards lol.

Lets be honest, the difference Foe's Requiem makes in the vast majority of parties is negligible. If you are that frustrated by your low DPS then work on your rotations and improve as a player :-)

And yet it only further enhances the DPS of good players. Funny how that works.