Should it really be this difficult?

[Logo]

These fights arent that hard, The issue lies with the ease of grouping.

Being able to click a checkbox and get a group of people you will never see again has detrimental effects.
Especially with a lot of the community not having an MMO background.

These are fights, that have choreographed mechanics, so each time you're generally getting someone that has no idea what that mechanic is, hence wipe.
Unlike other MMOs where party finding was tied to the users on the server, this would lead to a player getting a bad reputation.
Here, not the case. So bad can keep happening.

Dungeons, yeah, you can generally figure out along the way, but Titan EX, Garuda EX, people coming in blind? you might as well throw the 90 minutes out the door.
DF is great for gathering people, but it does have its drawbacks.

I'd say try to find atleast one or two pals, I know it can be hard, but it will make your DF chances better.

[Moqi]

If it helps, I have beaten both Leviathan EX and Moggle EX on DF. I've found them easier than the first 3 primals (still stuck on titan ex lol)

[Kaonis]

The content pretty much is that difficult. Hell a number of the endgame content punishes you for being too geared/having too much echo, because of how heavily scripted the fights are (good luck with Titan EX where pushing a phase tends to be a death sentence or at the very least make the fight harder than before).

This speaks nothing of how poorly optimized their content is for the server structure. Seeing as all the content is based on pin point accuracy in execution of abilities and dodging mechanics, yet the server has all final say on what happens, you get a big disaster in the making.

On top of this everything is based around the idea of least common denominator player, meaning you're ability to succeed in anything is solely dependent on the worst member of your group considering how tight most fights are a single person who keeps dying (or from what I've seen, a single anyone having a small slip up) causes the group to wipe.

Really this endgame is difficult, but in all the wrong and most unfair of ways. I've literally never seen so many people frustrated doing endgame before because of just minor slip ups. Hell I've never played a game where being out of an AoE with a solid 30% left on the cast bar means you're probably gonna get hit still because the server goes faster than your internet will allow (and no we're not talking lag or drop in FPS, we're talking 100% smooth playing).

This all just a lot of small issues that amount to one huge headache. Bottom line, future developers will need to look at this game and realize server side handling is bad news for an MMO especially if you want anything to be even remotely tight and difficult.

[drmambo1999]

I have beaten Garuda EX and that is it! XD I know the other fights thoroughly because of DF and watching videos on my own time, but I have yet to find a group that has successfully beaten Titan EX or thornmarch EX. (this goes for PF as well) I personally don't think either fight is really all that difficult as it boils down to just knowing the mechanics of the fights. The "difficulty" lies with making sure everyone in your group is on the same page when doing these fights. I have a alot of patience and can deal with wiping over and over as long as I get a win eventually, but something I run into that makes all these fights IMPOSSIBLE, is after just a couple of wipes, people start leaving! I HATE THAT! I get it, but I hate it! Just draws things out longer.

[Jamez82]

This game relies way to much on other people to be perfect in order for you to progress. If it didn't everyone would have beaten all the content within a couple days of its release. Savage coil included.

[Kuwagami]

Every Ex can be killed in DF , it frustating and may take up to few "days" to take each , but actually if you got good understanding of mechanics (you know you got , when DF ppl's die on same stuff and you not lol ) can join or make PF . I done all 5 trials + ultima wins in DF (Ultima even before echo) , so if want go hard DF way - feel free and you may get in that win PT

Titan Ex
DF

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it frustating and may take up to few "months"

4 month actually, 5 tries (groups) a day.

This game relies way to much on other people to be perfect in order for you to progress. If it didn't everyone would have beaten all the content within a couple days of its release. Savage coil included.

some groups are quite close to perfect on current content but I don't think the coil savage has been downed further than T6.

[CompSci88]

some groups are quite close to perfect on current content but I don't think the coil savage has been downed further than T6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0DOpKp6Cg

[Kuwagami]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0DOpKp6Cg

heh nice I didn't know this group ^^

only T9 left to go then

[Adler]

In Ultima HM usually:
1) people have no idea that running in purple orbs together split damage and they try to avoid those orbs at all cost
2) during Ifrit phase people don't realise that it is actually Ifrit not plumes killing them
3) sometimes in the party even both tanks don't know that only tank use lb in this fight because you can't survive 3rd cast of Aetheric "boom" something otherwise.

Garuda ex usually is fail due to lame tanks that target adds at pillars before Reckoning and can't decide who, when and where to take which add on Spiny plume phase. And of course there are some DPS that will kill Spiny plume instantly and don't understand any branch of human language when people beg them not to kill it.

Moogle ex. Not an expert of Moogle ex myself because I have just tried it once. Joined learning party last week with 3 fc members that had killed it before and fc tank who also hadn't seen it before. We killed it after 3 or 4 wipes, everyone seemed surprised we did it but generally the fight seemed rather simple and probably it is most pressing for the healers here. The hardest part seemed to be for tanks to keep distance far enough from each other to not get king buffing everything and for healers to massively heal tanks and confused dps. As a dps I seemed to actually have the easiest job there - simply focus target healer moogle, get all moogles below 10% hp and interrupt blm and healer moogle casts.

I have yet to beat Titan ex and Leviathan ex though and they seem to be hard for a rather weird reason - every time we seem to get good group and die with boss having less than 25% there is one moron who instantly ragequit. Seriously, with 2 or three wipes we could have killed it with the force of Echo alone but there is never chance for that while people never rage quit if we die with boss having more than 50% hp left...

[Kuwagami]

In Ultima HM usually:
3) sometimes in the party even both tanks don't know that only tank use lb in this fight because you can't survive 3rd cast of Aetheric "boom" something otherwise.

You do not need it tbh... It's just supposed to be idiot proof (you need party coordination and good heals if not)

Moogle ex.

horrible for tanks to avoid thief getting stacks. horrible for healers for obvious reasons. DPS are easy piece of cake.

I have yet to beat Titan ex and Leviathan ex though and they seem to be hard for a rather weird reason - every time we seem to get good group and die with boss having less than 25% there is one moron who instantly ragequit. Seriously, with 2 or three wipes we could have killed it with the force of Echo alone but there is never chance for that while people never rage quit if we die with boss having more than 50% hp left...

for Titan it's easy to explain : a group that can't be at heart without echo won't beat titan.
A group that fail 3 times to pass heart won't beat Titan.